80+ column : Oct 31


WRAP OF A WRAP

Leinster Rugby is back at the RDS and all’s right with the world…well apart from having to swim back to my car afterwards to make it home in time for the RWC final, it was great to get the home season underway, naturally the result helped with this as well.  Mark Jackson & Ciarán Duffy joined me on the pod Sunday evening to offer their top insights.

ICYMI, here’s a link to Spotify and we’re also on most major platforms.


HARPIN ON…LEINSTER’S 10 JERSEY POST-SEXTON

For the bonus clip this week Mark & Ciarán helped me look at Leinster’s options to start the post-Sexton era for the Leinster 10 jersey.


PURE V PUKE?  NEITHER. JUST RUGBY.

Kids are off school this week so little or no time to organise a TikTok rant (for a clip no longer than two minutes there’s a ton of work involved, though I do enjoy them and hope to get back to it after the midterm) but what I would have harped on was the way the sport of rugby was presented to the world over the past couple of months in the French festival.

You’re reading a blog about rugby and I’m writing one so it’s pretty clear we’re both massive fans who would not only watch every moment of most other tournaments as well on top of the 24/7 online content, but we all know that World Cups more than any other event are key for promoting the sport outside its bubble, aiming to convince non- and casual- fans to pay a lot more attention over the next four years.

I guess before analysing how RWC2023 did in this regard, we first must look at what we’re up against when it comes to people who are naturally inclined to be negative.  Well first there’s a particular brand of Irish sports fan who for some reason feel it’s not enough to see competition within a particular code, but they also want to compare different codes with each other and thus only watch rugby so they can find the flaws to show how much better their sport is.  Obviously we have those types in rugby as well (“rugby values”/“wouldn’t happen in our sport”) but my point is that no matter what you do you’ll never get that lot so it’s not worth even trying.

Next we have to rule out those who expect to be entertained to the fullest in every single sporting encounter.  In rugby I guess that means that to these people the only type of game worth watching is one where there’s “free-flowing rugby” with tries raining in from end to end with a series of fancy offloads and miss-passes.  Those people are never going to be happy, because they clearly forget that there are defensive coaches doing their level best to stop that happening.

I mean is it too much to expect people to appreciate that there’s plenty to entertain us even without that so-called “purist” style.  Take the World Cup final itself.  I’ve seen several articles from journalists from within and outside rugby trying to take the shine off of the Springboks’ historic victory by banging on about their approach.  This is of course all clickbait garbage – whether you win a match by 1 point or 100, you still win and getting finicky about the style of play says more about the commenter than it does the subject matter.

But even if you weren’t fully clued in on the Laws of the game (and I give a TON of leeway to viewers for this because let’s face it, while it’s no cricket, there’s still a hell of a lot of jargon and conventions to get the hang of) if you couldn’t at least appreciate all the excitement before the match like the rivalry between two great rugby nations, all the passion and anticipation surrounding the anthems, the performance and reaction to the cultural challenge, during the match with the dozens of pivotal moments from the first minute to the last, and eventually after it the contrasting celebrations and disappointment of the two squads, then I reckon you should probably be looking for entertainment elsewhere.

And over the course of the eight weeks there actually was a lot of rugby that could be described as “worldie”, with several so-called YouTube moments with free flowing play and there were even some upsets; just Portugal’s pool stage adventure would make a decent feature film all on its own.  

Overall I think there’s only so much a sport can do to make itself more appealing to the masses, at least when it comes to the brick and mortar of the Laws themselves.  What you could do to help stimulate interest is try and spread it around the globe and encourage more nations to play to a higher standard, but that has me straying near a Nations League debate that is worthy of a rant all on its own. 

I mean it’s not just rugby that tries to change, GAA makes rule changes every season, cricket gets so much shorter that eventually a match is going to be just one ball being bowled, and even soccer is tinkering with the format of its top competitions with both its World Cup and Champions League set to change.

For me anyway, the game is pretty much fine the way it is, maybe a few law tweaks here and there wouldn’t hurt but to be honest I’d much rather they focused on ways to make the game safer without altering the overall feel and flow we all tune in for.

The likes of Off The Ball and Pat Spillane can go do one.


PRE MATCH VIKING CLAP 

Speaking of changes, I mentioned on the pod that Mike McCarthy came down to the pitch to get the Leinster fans revved up ahead of kickoff by encouraging them to do a Viking Clap, though I didn’t mention what I thought of it.  

I can imagine a lot of people of my generation not being too happy with it but for my part, I’m all for it.  I have said many times over the years harpin’ on these pages that the atmosphere at the RDS hasn’t always been what it could be.  The lack of a proper chant/song has certainly contributed to that…”Allez les blues” is too French, “molly Malone” too Dublin centric, “Come on you boys in Blue” too generic, and as for the run of the mill “Lehhhhhhn-ster, Lehhhhhhn-ster”, well that’s fine once and a while but it’s hardly the go to option for every situation.  And anyone remember “Leinster’s glory”?  No?  Exactly.

Now just to be clear I’m having a go more at the crowd rather than the organisers, they do a lot to create an atmosphere with the pre-match music and of course Leo the Lion but I thought Mike’s more direct challenge to the crowd was a much better way of getting them fully match ready and assuming it’s to become a regular thing, the “scenes” should get even more “absolute” down the line.


PLAYER OF THE MATCH

It happens quite a lot that I disagree with the decision for Player of the Match, and when it’s for Leinster or Ireland it’s a bit awkward making that disagreement known because it’s a bit like having to choose your favourite kid, but since I have this 80+ column I suppose that gives me a chance to express that opinion.

But I hope it doesn’t give the impression that I have anything against the person who got the award, and in Saturday’s case it was Max Deegan.  He did have a great match overall, and I know it was the occasion of his 100th cap, but for me the standards are such at the province that when he drops a ball from the base on an attacking 5m scrum (again, very unlike him, and if it were me I’d drop it every time) we might look elsewhere this time and for me Tommy O’Brien was a much more worthy recipient.

One last time, to be perfectly clear, I am NOT having a go at him, nor at James Downey who made the call.  Just saying I saw it differently that’s all.


THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOKS

Congrats to all those honoured in World Rugby’s awards list, especially Andy Farrell who thoroughly deserved it.

And while I certainly wouldn’t hold a view like this from All Black fan and clearly sour grape-connosseiur Ben Smith about the Springboks’ success, I for one wasn’t that surprised that their players didn’t feature too heavily in the team of the tournament.

I could probably see Malherbe ahead of Furlong if I had to make one change but overall the selections seem sound to me.

Maybe, just maybe, RSA representation on the TOTY is low because other nations had better individuals while the Boks had the best team, hence three 1pt wins and the 🏆.



KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES

I have dedicated a column segment to mention the Eddie Jones news but I don’t see any point going too deep in the weeds on the topic because pretty much everything has been said about him.  Literally none of the negative stories and opinions about him surprise me.  Actually it’s just boring at this stage.  He may have even climbed to my “least favourite Jones” chart ahead of journo Stephen, but even that’s just one article away from changing back.


B&I SUPER LEAGUE?

Once again this topic has crept into the headlines so once again I am forced to state my position.

I am 100% opposed to the suggestion of creating a “British & Irish Super League”.

However, I would be ok with the possibility of Premiership clubs JOINING the United Rugby Championship, once each one can prove financial viability throughout a campaign before preseason starts.

The URC has been through enough branding upheaval over the years and has finally found a form which may not suit everyone at the moment, but surely even the Welsh fans might come on board if they got some regular fixtures with the English.

But to create an entirely new identity just because the Premiership has been proven to be a failed business model just wouldn’t cut it for me.


W.XV UPDATE

I covered Ireland’s latest WXV match on the pod, here’s the transcript…

This is the story of an international rugby finale that could have gone either way right up to the final whistle but as you can probably tell I’m not talking about Saturday night’s battle in Paris.

After two extremely comfortable victories against Kazakhstan and Colombia, the Irish women had a much more formidable opponent in Las Leonas from Spain in their 3rd WXV3 encounter, and although Scott Bemand’s side enjoyed pretty much all the early territory and possession, we had to contend with an early spell with inspirational co-captain Edel McMahon in the sin bin plus an extremely stubborn Spanish defence which was not only difficult to break down but also was able to punish mistakes as outside-centre Claudia Peña Hidalgo pounced on a loose pass to put her side 7-0 up after just ten minutes.   

Spain stretched their lead to 10 until a Dannah O’Brien penalty got Ireland on the board, but it was our own defence which needed to be strong before the break and although we managed to stop them from scoring after a prolonged visit to our 22, we did cough up another yellow card this time for Linda Djougang and the resulting penalty saw us go into the break both short handed and behind by 13 points to 3.

We still came out strongly for the 2nd half however, comfortably seeing out the sin bin period without Spain entering our 22 and we gradually wore down their resistance until a succession of penalties marched us into their 22 where a strong maul allowed Grace Moore to fall over the line and Dannah O’Brien added the extras to bring us within three.

Our dominance continued and although we only needed a draw to finish top of the pool, it was a brave decision to ignore the three points on offer from a kickable penalty, and we backed up that confidence with another series of mauls making the Spanish defence crack and this time it was Neve Jones getting the ball down to nudge Ireland in front for the first time.

But the match still had to be seen out and to their credit the Spaniards kept at it right to the 80th minute and beyond until a brilliant lineout steal from Eimear Corri saw us put the ball dead and secure the title and puts them in a good position to go up to the second tier for next season.

I talk a lot on the pod about the problems in Irish womens rugby but this is a time for celebration for a job well done in searing heat over three weeks in Dubai and hopefully the squad can bring these performances through to 2024.  One thing I will say however is that the Spanish performance provided further evidence that the women shouldn’t follow the men’s Six Nations model and instead expand to include themselves and possibly more teams down the line.

As ever if you want to keep tabs on the women’s game I find the best sources are Scrumqueens.com and on Twitter or X follow accounts like @IrishWomens.


Round 3

KAZAKHSTAN 0-118 FIJI

KENYA 21-5 COLOMBIA

IRELAND 15-13 SPAIN



🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE

Not a great round for Leinster’s Champions Cup opposition, with our good friends La Rochelle falling at home to Castres making it three defeats out of four to start the season, while Stade Francais got knocked off top spot when they could only muster 3 points in Bayonne.  Pau lead the way with Joe Simmonds helping to lead them to a hefty win at Perpignan, while also on 14 points at the top are Castres and Stu Lancaster’s Racing, soon to have a certain RWC winning captain join their ranks.

Leaders Pau v champions Toulouse would appear to be the pick of the Round 5 matchups, perfect for the marquee Sunday night slot.


Round 4

SUN OCT 29

BAYONNE 16-3 STADE FRANCAIS

PERPIGNAN 24-39 PAU

LYON 41-22 CLÉRMONT

MONTPELLIER 16-19 RACING 92

TOULON 41-7 OYONNAX

LA ROCHELLE 24-27 CASTRES

TOULOUSE 29-22 BORDEAUX


Round 5

SAT NOV 4

OYONNAX V LA ROCHELLE

PERPIGNAN V TOULON

BORDEAUX V MONTPELLIER

CLÉRMONT V BAYONNE

STADE FRANCAIS V CASTRES

RACING 92 V LYON

SUN NOV 5

PAU V TOULOUSE


PREMIERSHIP UPDATE

A late Shillcock penalty gave Leicester a one-point win at the Rec although Bath still stay top since none of the 10 teams managed to win all of their opening 3 matches.  Saracens finally put one in the win column while Sale Sharks got their fins handed to them by Exeter.

Saracens/Tigers would seem to be the pick of the ties from Round 4, with Leinster set to travel to play both of them in January (Sarries being a friendly).

ROUND 3

GLOUCESTER 3-24 SARACENS

BRISTOL 21-23 HARLEQUINS

EXETER CHIEFS 43-0 SALE SHARKS

BATH 24-25 LEICESTER

NEWCASTLE 14-16 NORTHAMPTON



ROUND 4

FRI NOV 3

SALE SHARKS V GLOUCESTER

SAT NOV 4

HARLEQUINS V NEWCASTLE

NORTHAMPTON V BATH

SARACENS V LEICESTER TIGERS

EXETER CHIEFS V BRISTOL


AIL UPDATE 

Both genders AIL return to action after a weekend off, with the top four, all of whom seem destined to reach the semifinals at this stage, avoiding each other so I doubt there will be any real change to the table come next week.

Meanwhile in the men’s Div1A, Lansdowne will be hoping to keep their maximum points record going but certainly won’t have it easy away to Cork Con, who are fresh from toppline the reigning champions in round 3.  As for Nure themselves, they’ll surely be looking to come away from Belfield Bowl with some points to get them away from just above the relegation places.

#SupportYourLocalClub

WOMEN’S AIL


Round 6

SAT NOV 4

BALLINCOLLIG V UL BOHS

BELVO V COOKE

SUTTONIANS V ROCK

WICKLOW V RAILWAY UNION


MEN’S AIL


ROUND 4

SAT NOV 4

BALLYNAHINCH V SHANNON

CITY OF ARMAGH V DUBLIN UNIV

CORK CON V LANSDOWNE

UCD V TERENURE

YOUNG MUNSTER V CLONTARF


HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE

Happy enough to remain in 3rd place after 2 rounds although there was a change at the top as Kristian got this week’s yellow cap to leapfrog Conor.  Meanwhile in the dreaded Jersey of Shame position down the bottom Tom dragged himself away leaving this week’s pod guest Mark to fall even below Keego.

Early days of course.

AFTER RD 2PTS
1KRISTIAN23.00
2CONOR21.00
3JEFF19.50
4KINO17.00
5JAY15.00
6TOM14.00
7KEEGO13.00
8MARK11.00

NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’

A bonus pod for during the week, I’ll be chatting to Francisco Issac about Portugal, the proposed World League and also the RE Super Cup which kicks off next weekend.  Then it’s full attention on the visit of Edinburgh to the RDS on Saturday with a preview before and a wrap pod on Sunday evening so stay tuned for all of that.

As ever, be sure to enjoy your Halloween rugby wherever you are.  JLP

287 : Leinster v Sharks wrap

28 October 2023; Tommy O’Brien of Leinster in action against Marnus Potgieter of Hollywoodbets Sharks during the United Rugby Championship match between Leinster and Hollywoodbets Sharks at the RDS Arena in Dublin. Photo by Sam Barnes/Sportsfile

🏉  Thrilling not pretty final

🏉  WXV3 champions

🏉  Mike on the Mic

🏉  100 cap Max

🏉  Barron spell


MARK JACKSON & CIARÁN DUFFY [Post To Post Sport]



URC WRAP

ROUND 2

OSP 34-31 ZEB

CON 34-26 GLA

STO 52-7 SCA

LEI 34-13 SHA

EDI 17-16 LIO

BEN 13-13 MUN

DRA 9-16 CAR

ULS 26-19 BUL



ROUND 3

FRI NOV 3

GLA V STO

OSP V SHA

SAT NOV 4

ZEB V BUL

LEI V EDI

SCA V CAR

MUN V DRA

CON V ULS

SUN NOV 5

BEN V LIO


286 : #LEIvSHA preview

our guest : NEIL ‘KEEGO’ KEEGAN


Leinster : 15. Ciarán Frawley 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Charlie Ngatai 11. Jordan Larmour 10. Harry Byrne 9. Cormac Foley

1. Jack Boyle 2. Lee Barron 3. Michael Ala’alatoa 4. Ross Molony 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Rhys Ruddock 7. Scott Penny > CAPTAIN 8. Max Deegan

16. Dylan Donnellan 17. Paddy McCarthy 18. Rory McGuire 19. Brian Deeny 20. Will Connors 21. Ben Murphy 22. Sam Prendergast 23. Rob Russell


Sharks : 15. Aphelele Fassi 14. Werner Kok 13. Francois Venter (c) 12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg 11. Marnus Potgieter 10. Curwin Bosch 9. Cameron Wright

1. Ntuthuko Mchunu 2. Kerron van Vuuren 3. Hanro Jacobs 4. Corne Rahl 5. Emile van Heerden 6. James Venter 7. Vincent Tshituka 8. Phepsi Buthelezi

16. Dylan Richardson 17. Dian Bleuler 18. Khwezi Mona 19. Hyron Andrews 20. George Cronje 21. Francois Hougaard 22. Boeta Chamberlain 23. Aphiwe Dyantyi


United Rugby Championship 2023/24 Round 2

Saturday October 28 KO 4:55pm

RDS Arena

TV : RTÉ2, Premier Sports 1, URC.tv 


Referee: Federico Vedovelli

AR 1: Joy Neville

AR 2: Paul Haycock

TMO: Stefano Roscini

Rugby on TV : Oct 26-30

NOTE : BT SPORTS IS NOW KNOWN AS TNT SPORTS

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26

8PM – GLASGOW V LEINSTER (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

10:30PM – CONNACHT V OSPREYS (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27

7AM – ENGLAND V CANADA – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – SCOTLAND V JAPAN – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

2PM – KAZAKHSTAN V FIJI – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

3:30PM – SOUTH AFRICA V SAMOA – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

4:30PM – KENYA V COLOMBIA – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

8PM – ARGENTINA V ENGLAND – RWC2023 – VIRGIN MEDIA ONE

10PM – MUNSTER V SHARKS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 28

4AM – NEW ZEALAND V WALES – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

7AM – FRANCE V AUSTRALIA – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – OSPREYS V ZEBRE – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

2PM – IRELAND V SPAIN – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV (direct link to match)

2:30PM – BRISTOL BEARS V HARLEQUINS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

3PM – CONNACHT V GLASGOW WARRIORS – URC – TG4, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – STORMERS V SCARLETS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, S4C, URC.TV*

3PM – EXETER V SALE SHARKS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

3:05PM – BATH V LEICESTER TIGERS – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

4PM – USA V ITALY – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

4:55PM – LEINSTER V SHARKS – URC – RTÉ2, VIAPLAY/PREMIER XTRA, URC.TV*

5PM – EDINBURGH V LIONS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

8PM – NEW ZEALAND V SOUTH AFRICA – RWC2023 – RTÉ2, ITV1, S4C

10:45PM – BATH V LEICESTER TIGERS (REPLAY) – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29

2PM – BENETTON V MUNSTER – URC – RTÉ2, VIAPLAY/PREMIER EXTRA, URC.TV*

2:30PM – DRAGONS V CARDIFF – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – NEWCASTLE V NORTHAMPTON – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

3PM – MONTPELLIER V RACING 92 – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER ONLINE

5PM – ULSTER V BULLS – TG4, BBC2 NI, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

5:05PM – LA ROCHELLE V CASTRES – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER ONLINE

8PM – TOULOUSE V BORDEAUX – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

10PM – BAYONNE V STADE FRANCAIS (TAPE DELAY) – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

MONDAY, OCTOBER 30

8PM – AGAINST THE HEAD – RTÉ2

11PM – 🔝🐱🐴 HIGHLIGHTS – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

* paid streaming service


80+ column : Oct 24


WRAP OF A WRAP

Sadly another defeat to harp on but still Messrs Mifsud & Long did a great job putting the match into perspective, even though with the Sunday kickoff we didn’t get to do a full rewatch before recording, although I’ not sure we really wanted to anyway!

ICYMI, here’s a link to Spotify and we’re also on most major platforms.


HARPIN ON…LEINSTER’S OUTLOOK FOR 23/24

The bonus clip is back this week and Rich, Jay and myself had a look an Leinster’s prospects for the coming season, especially when factoring all the changes in their leadership group.


STOP POLISHING THE 3RD

I harp on this every four years, this time I’m doing it in TikTok form.

For the record, here’s a list of the 3rd place playoffs there have been so far…

1987 WAL 22-21 ARG 27,000 Rotarua

1991 NZL 13-6 SCO 47,000 Cardiff

1995 FRA 19-9 ENG 44,000 Pretoria

1999 RSA 22-18 NZL 60,000 Cardiff

2003 NZL 40-13 FRA 62,712 Sydney

2007 ARG 34-10 FRA 45,958 Paris

2011 AUS 21-18 WAL 53,014 Auckland

2015 RSA 24-13 ARG 55,925 London

2019 NZL 40-17 WAL 48,842 Tokyo

2023 ENG v ARG Paris

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KANT DECIDE

Needless to say this has taken a lot of oxygen on twitter since Saturday’s semifinal, and since there is an ongoing investigation I suppose I shouldn’t be throwing more fuel on the fire, but I do have queries…

“We can confirm that we are formally reviewing the allegation made by England’s Tom Curry’s in relation to the use of discriminatory language during the England versus South Africa Rugby World Cup 2023 semi-final on Saturday.”

So goes the World Rugby statement.  HOWEVER…I think an important distinction needs to be made here.  Does the word “allegation” mean just his question to the ref on the pitch that was picked up on the mic, or has he or England Rugby made a formal one since the match was over?

If it’s the latter, then to my mind things would be working as they should.  BUT – if, as I suspect, this is only happening because the media picked up on something we just happened to overhear then we’re in a completely different territory. 

Again, I have no idea what actually happened, and I freely admit that my on-pitch Springbok vernacular is more than rusty, but going by the information I have so far, AP Cronje’s suggestion seems a much more plausible explanation than that which the media is using to generate headlines and clicks.

Plus, as it turns out, in researching AP’s twitter timeline I have gotten an answer to my question above…


NOVEL GRAPHICS

Speaking of Twitter/X, I got myself into a spot of bother last week.

With it being the first round of matches in this season’s URC, on Thursday and Friday we had the first round of matchday squad announcements from the 16 clubs.  And one or two tried to get, let’s just say, maybe a little too creative with their graphic designs, Ospreys and Sharks in particular.

I can’t remember what exactly I was doing when I decided to give my opinion but whatever it was it clearly didn’t allow me to think clearly about how I was wording my response…

As you can see many agreed with me but still many others, mostly from AIL clubs (totally understandable they thought I was referring to them as I did not make it clear) took exception.  And the most surprised to read my opinion was the Terenure College RFC social media folks, who must have wondered why I appeared to have done a 180 after praising their “Aertel” homage a few weeks ago.

Once more, this was all totally my fault for not making myself clear.  Simply putting “URC” ahead of “clubs” would have avoided all the confusion.  I must do better, and I mean that sincerely.

Just to be clear, I have ironically made a graphic of my own to show presentations I think are perfect and those I think are, well, not so much.


And going back to Terenure for a moment, I did like their response when they thought I was having a pop at them…


…just to be clear, I do know we’re only talking about graphics which is hardly the most important topic in the world but this column is for all kinds of topics that normally fall through the cracks when I focus mostly on Leinster & Ireland matches!!!!


LIONS DEN, AND NOW

With the World Cup almost over, the next rugby event on a 4-year cycle that is to start creeping into the headlines is of course the Lions, who go to Australia this time around.

Talk of banning or at least greatly reforming the tour has been going on for years and years now (at least a decade as this 2013 Harpin op-ed from @curates_egg shows) and while I always enjoy the debates and selections and matches when they happen, my views are pretty much in line with Hugh Gordon’s in his tweet below.

For me the best arguments in favour would be 1) it would be a shame to end the tours from the POV of the cross-border fan alliances that tend to travel, like the one that formed for the 2017 tour which had their adventures greatly described by Michelle Tobin here on Harpin, and also there’s an argument to be made that the game in Australia really needs this kind of exposure right now given all that is happening there on and off the pitch.


W.XV UPDATE

I covered Ireland’s latest WXV match on the pod, here’s the transcript…

When it comes to Ireland’s performance in this 64 to 3 win over Colombia, while the scoreline may not have reached the heights of last week’s century of points against Kazahstan, Scott Bemand’s side still dominated throughout with the back row of Grace Moore, Edel McMahon and Brittany Hogan particularly impressive as the ten tries were evenly spread throughout the team with only Neve Jones and Beibhinn Parsons getting more than one.  As ever John Birch does an excellent job relating the particulars of the match for Scrumqueens.

And when it comes to Ireland’s standing in this WXV3 tournament in Dubai, while the two big wins certainly puts them in a strong position to finish 1st and earn promotion to the second tier for next year, they will surely find Spain a much bigger challenge in their final match next weekend.

But as ever is the case with the Irish women’s team of late, we still have to wonder about the broader picture and unfortunately even scoring over a point a minute in two matches raises at least many questions as it answers.  

One of the top reasons for Ireland playing in the third tier of this competition is that we finished last in the 2023 Six Nations when many of our top players were sent to play Sevens instead, and while that did pay some dividends with Olympic Qualification plus a respectable 5th place finish in the World Series, you have to wonder if even that can generate as much interest in the women’s game as does putting out our strongest team in XVs.  

And we’ll be in very much the same situation in 2024, with the Hong Kong Sevens falling right in the middle of the Six Nations, plus the decent chance of achieving a medal in the Paris Olympics, making for more big selection decisions to come.

But for now anyway, Ireland’s focus is only on that decider against Spain next weekend, it kicks off at 2pm on Saturday with free streaming available on RugbyPass.tv and hopefully the Irish rugby family will be able to give them our full support.


WXV3 – Round 2

KAZAKHSTAN 18-12 KENYA

SPAIN 26-19 FIJI

IRELAND 64-3 COLOMBIA 



Round 3

FRI OCT 27

KAZAKHSTAN V FIJI

KENYA V COLOMBIA

SAT OCT 28

IRELAND V SPAIN (2PM IRISH TIME) 


🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE

You certainly can’t blame the 🔝🐱🐴 for pushing a whole round of matches to the Sunday in the hope that there might be ongoing celebrations in the country from the night before, but alas like Ireland it was not to be for France so they return to their domestic programme after a quick burst of three matches towards the end of August.

Our “Eurowatch” series will return from next week where we keep an eye on all Leinster’s opponents and it’s different this year with the format change – instead of two we now have four teams to cover, and on the French side of things we certainly won’t have it easy against league leaders Stade Francais plus our old pals La Rochelle.



Round 4

SUN OCT 29

BAYONNE V STADE FRANCAIS

PERPIGNAN V PAU

LYON V CLÉRMONT

MONTPELLIER V RACING 92

TOULON V OYONNAX

LA ROCHELLE V CASTRES

TOULOUSE V BORDEAUX


PREMIERSHIP UPDATE

I was a bit hasty having a quiet chuckle about Saracens’ poor start to the season and rightly got what I deserved when Leinster went down in Glasgow (hopefully it isn’t some kind of Castore curse), still it is strange seeing them at the bottom of the Premiership even if it is only after two rounds.

Leinster’s Euro opponents played each other with Sale prevailing and things don’t get any easier for Leicester Tigers this week as they must go to the 100% leaders Bath.


ROUND 2

NEWCASTLE 14-18 GLOUCESTER

NORTHAMPTON 27-33 BRISTOL

SARACENS 16-25 BATH

LEICESTER 17-24 SALE

HARLEQUINS 22-14 EXETER



ROUND 3

FRI OCT 27

GLOUCESTER V SARACENS

SAT OCT 28

BRISTOL V HARLEQUINS

EXETER CHIEFS V SALE SHARKS

BATH V LEICESTER

SUN OCT 29

NEWCASTLE V NORTHAMPTON


AIL UPDATE 

As of Tuesday morning the IrishRugby site was yet to update the AIL tables & results so I had to wing it a bit with the update this week, but for what I can gather the big winners in the Women’s AIL were UL Bohs, who overcame Champions Rock to stay top of the league, and Belvo, who despite having to play twice in just a few days managed a full 10 match points to climb into 3rd.  

Meanwhile on the men’s side of things champions Terenure won’t be happy having been nilled at home by Cork Con while Lansdowne made it three 5-pointers out of 3 with a decent win at home over Hinch.  And a very honourable mention must go to newly promoted City of Armagh who got themselves a fine first win in the top flight away to Shannon.

The Energia AILs take a weekend off before resuming on the weekend of November 4.

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WOMEN’S AIL

Round 4

OLD BELVEDERE 31-5 SUTTONIANS

Round 5

UL BOHS 29-10 BLACKROCK

COOKE 0-44 SUTTONIANS

GALWEGIANS 19-33 OLD BELVEDERE

RAILWAY UNION 46-19 BALLINCOLLIG


  1. UL BOHS P5 PTS19
  2. RAILWAY UNION 4-20
  3. BELVO 4-16
  4. BLACKROCK 4-15
  5. BALLINCOLLIG 5-15
  6. SUTTONIANS 4-9
  7. WICKLOW 4-1
  8. COOKE 4-0
  9. GALWEGIANS 5-0

Round 6

SAT NOV 4

BALLINCOLLIG V UL BOHS

BELVO V COOKE

SUTTONIANS V ROCK

WICKLOW V RAILWAY UNION


MEN’S AIL

ROUND 3

SHANNON 13-25 CITY OF ARMAGH

CLONTARF 43-19 UCD

DUBLIN UNIV 8-22 YOUNG MUNSTER

LANSDOWNE 45-19 BALLYNAHINCH

TERENURE 0-20 CORK CON


ROUND 4

SAT NOV 4

BALLYNAHINCH V SHANNON

CITY OF ARMAGH V DUBLIN UNIV

CORK CON V LANSDOWNE

UCD V TERENURE

YOUNG MUNSTER V CLONTARF


HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE

This year’s league expanded from 6 to 8 competitors as I defend my title and Keego hopes to get rid of The Jersey of Shame.  And both “rookies” got the most results right in Round 1 of the URC with 7 out of 8 although it was Conor Cronin who’s margins were closer putting him in pole position to start the season.

After my earlier rant about 3rd place playoffs it is of course fitting that I find myself in the bronze medal position but I’m happy enough to sit there for the time being.


AFTER RD 1

1 CONOR 12.00

2 KRISTIAN 10.00

3 JEFF 9.00

4 KINO 8.50

5 JAY 8.00

6 MARK 6.50

7 KEEGO 6.00

8 TOM 4.00


WORLD LEAGUE

As I’m about to publish, news is just filtering through that World Rugby have decided to go ahead with the World League, complete with ringfencing in the top tier until 2030. A couple of weeks ago on this column I suggested they could at least allow relegation from the top tier from the start but it seems to elitism remains. We’ll harp more on this next week, and I have also booked Francisco Isaac for a bonus pod and I’m pretty sure it will come up so stay tuned!

NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’

Leinster home opener this weekend!!!! The visit of the Sharks will of course be getting the full Harpin treatment with a preview on Friday, tweets and comment throughout and the wrap pod on Sunday evening.  I’m also a guest on Caolán Scully’s pod recording on the Monday night.

As ever, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are.  JLP

285 : Glasgow v Leinster wrap

22 January 2023; Tommy O’Brien of Leinster in action against George Horne of Glasgow Warriors during the United Rugby Championship match between Glasgow Warriors and Leinster at Scotstoun Stadium in Glasgow, Scotland. Photo by Sam Barnes/Sportsfile
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FULL TIME TAKES


Christy O’Connor

Hard to make anything of this with such young team that was put out. It’s a learning curve, more than anything. Glasgow deserved the win

Dave Murray

Lots of soft scores leaked. Can only get better as the weeks go on 🤞🤞🤞

Craig Grehan

Lack of ruthlessness and aggression.

Frawley should’ve been at 10.

Or Prendergast …

We didn’t use the backs enough when we hit the 5m line and got punished by sloppy rucking.

Tackles were soft at times.

Chris McDonnell

Cant play rugby with a 10, 12, 13 and not a single one prepared to make a tackle. We created very little with the ball and how many times do we have to lose scores from boxkicking. Lineout was good, scrum was awful.

Bert McLoughlin

We were well outplayed at times but not giving a try without conclusive evidence was a turning point

Jamie Donohoe

Evans the Referee was absolutely shocking & completely incompetent.

That said Leinster leaked a lot of soft scores

Jamie Bermingham

Defence was very poor today and we had a number of chances on the Glasgow try line and let them slip. The decision to not allow Turners try was shocking as there was no solid evidence he was in touch, in fact it looked like the Glasgow player was keeping him in play

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URC WRAP

ROUND 1

ZEB 36-40 ULS

CON 34-26 OSP

LIO 33-35 STO

DRA 17-22 EDI

MUN 34-21 SHA

CAR 22-23 BEN

BUL 63-21 SCA

GLA 43-25 LEI



ROUND 2

SAT OCT 28

OSP V ZEB

CON V GLA

STO V SCA

LEI V SHA

EDI V LIO

SUN OCT 29

BEN V MUN

DRA V CAR

ULS V BUL


284 : #GLAvLEI preview

our guest : NEIL “KEEGO” KEEGAN

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Apologies Up Front on Apple Podcasts


Leinster : 15. Ciarán Frawley 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Liam Turner 12. Charlie Ngatai 11. Jordan Larmour 10. Harry Byrne 9. Luke McGrath

1. Jack Boyle 2. John McKee 3. Thomas Clarkson 4. Ross Molony 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Max Deegan 7. Scott Penny > CAPTAIN 8. James Culhane

16. Lee Barron 17. Paddy McCarthy 18. Rory McGuire 19. Brian Deeny 20. Rhys Ruddock 21.  Cormac Foley 22. Sam Prendergast 23. Will Connors


Glasgow : 15 Josh McKay 14 Sebastian Cancelliere 13 Huw Jones 12 Stafford McDowall 11 Kyle Steyn (C) 10 Tom Jordan 9 Jamie Dobie

1 Oli Kebble 2 Angus Fraser 3 Zander Fagerson 4 Greg Peterson 5 Scott Cummings 6 Gregor Brown 7 Rory Darge 8 Henco Venter

16 Johnny Matthews 17 Nathan McBeth 18 Lucio Sordoni 19 Alex Samuel 20 Ally Miller 21 Thomas Gordon 22 George Horne 23 Duncan Weir


United Rugby Championship 2023/24 Round 1

Sunday October 22 KO 4pm

Scotstoun Stadium

TV : RTÉ2, Premier Sports 1, URC.tv 


Referee: Craig Evans (WRU)

AR 1: Ru Campbell (SRU)

AR 2: Jonny Perriam (SRU)

TMO: Sean Brickell (WRU)

Rugby on TV : Oct 20-23

NOTE : BT SPORTS IS NOW KNOWN AS TNT SPORTS

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 20

7AM – ENGLAND V AUSTRALIA – WXV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – USA V SCOTLAND – WXV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

2PM – KAZAKHSTAN V KENYA – WXV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

3:30PM – ITALY V SOUTH AFRICA – WXV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

4:30PM – SPAIN V FIJI – WXV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

6PM – NEWCASTLE V GLOUCESTER – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

8PM – ARGENTINA V NEW ZEALAND – RWC2023 – RTÉ2, ITV1

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 21

2:05AM – TARANAKI V HAWKE’S BAY – NPC – SKY SPORTS ARENA

4AM – CANADA V WALES – WXV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

7AM – NEW ZEALAND V FRANCE – WXV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – ZEBRE V ULSTER – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

2PM – IRELAND V COLOMBIA – WXV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV [actual link for match]

3PM – CONNACHT V OSPREYS – URC – TG4, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*

3PM – JAPAN V SAMOA – WXV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

3PM – SARACENS V BATH, NORTHAMPTON V BRISTOL – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

3:05PM – LIONS V STORMERS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER EXTRA, URC.TV*

3:05PM – DRAGONS V EDINBURGH – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3:05PM – LEICESTER TIGERS V SALE SHARKS – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

5:15PM – CARDIFF V BENETTON – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

5:15PM – MUNSTER V SHARKS – URC – TG4, URC.TV*

8PM – ENGLAND V SOUTH AFRICA – RWC2023 – VIRGIN MEDIA ONE, ITV1

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 22

2PM – BULLS V SCARLETS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*

3PM – HARLEQUINS V EXETER – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

4PM – GLASGOW WARRIORS V LEINSTER – URC – RTÉ2, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

MONDAY, OCTOBER 23

10:30PM – AGAINST THE HEAD – RTÉ2

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80+ column : Oct 17


WRAP OF A WRAP

Since we switched to a pod-based format here at Harpin Manor at the start of the 22/23 season, I make it that we have done 44 “match wrap pods” covering competitive matches for both Leinster and Ireland.  

Of those, just FOUR have involved matches in which Leinster or Ireland finished on the losing side, and our wrap recorded on Sunday evening was the first involving the test side.  So it probably goes without saying that even when you factor in the whole “QF hoodoo” nonsense, it had to be easily the most difficult podcast to produce, especially since the scheduled recording time was less than 24 hours after the final whistle.

But full credit to both Mark Jackson and Conor Cronin for being ready, willing and able to take part in a full show regardless, and offering their usual excellent and honest perspectives in the process.  Credit also to Cian “RugbyKino” O’Muilleoir for offering yet another set of comments before kickoff, at halftime, and, obviously the most difficult, right after the fulltime whistle blew.

Let’s face it – very few Irish fans want to be reminded of Saturday night so the result was always going to affect our listening figures.  But I still hope I don’t need to explain just how important it was for us to record the pod anyway.  I haven’t been Harpin’ on Rugby since 2008 just because I want to celebrate victories for my teams.  I’ve been doing it because I love supporting my teams.  And to not do a show would have been in really poor taste IMO, plus there wasn’t even a tiny bit of hesitation from Mark, Conor and Cian to play their parts either.

So if you do ever get around to wanting to listen, here’s a link to Spotify and we’re also on most major platforms.


HARPIN ON…IRISH FULL TIME TAKES

One job I did spare the lads when we recorded the wrap pod was that of our weekly “bonus clip”, where we normally have an extra chat on a wider topic for sharing exclusively on YouTube.  

Instead I chose to try and capture some of the fan reaction, with videos done by myself, Kino & Keego within an hour of the final whistle, plus we’ve displayed comments posted on our regular post-match post on our Facebook page.  There’s also a clip from the actual wrap pod where Mark & Conor offer their final thoughts.

Again, I knew we wouldn’t get many viewers/listeners but I still feel it’s just as important to share our thoughts win or lose.


THANK YOU JOHNNY

Like many others I stressed that it was important for Irish fans to be mindful going online after a crushing defeat like that one, and while I did stay away for a while, when you run an online entity that focuses on fan opinion, you do have to take a peek at social media reactions eventually no matter how unpleasant.

And to be fair, when it comes to the predictable banter/slagging/taunting from fans of other nations, I totally get it.  Much of it was OTT but pretty much all of it was pretty boring and for me anyway, part and parcel of sport and certainly not worth getting triggered over.

What did get me however was the contributions from  some (a minority yes but still a significant one) Irish accounts (have trouble calling them fans) which seemed to fall into certain categories…

  1. not really fans of the sport, might watch 2 or 3 matches a year yet “always knew we’d lose”
  2. fans of the sport, know a good bit about the Laws etc, yet decided to use that knowledge by spending the last year or so doing loads of different tweets explaining why the team would “fail” so they could pick the one that looks the most accurate now and show how they “told us so”
  3. the saddest lot for me – those who only seem to watch so they can see players from their province take part and complain about the ones who don’t, and when test the team loses they imply that it would have been different with those same missing players involved.

And what makes all that most difficult to take is that, and I’ve said this many many times over the past while but I don’t mind repeating again, Andy Farrell & co literally could not have done any more in the build up to the quarterfinal – Triple Crown, series win in NZ, long winning streak, world number 1, and, oh yeah – Grand Slam.  

So maybe, just maybe, there’s a case to be made that rather than Ireland playing as underdogs against the All Blacks as we have done in World Cups past, what we had instead this time was two absolutely top notch teams going at it, and if they played each other ten times over ten weeks you could be pretty certain it would be something like 5 wins each, only on this night it was New Zealand who deserved to progress.

But another thing I have said often here is that it’s clear that different fans follow sport for different reasons.  So I guess all I can do is hope that the begrudgers are happy in themselves having the kind of mindset that produces the comments I keep seeing.  Luckily I have this column where I can vent rather than tumbling down a rabbit hole on social media.

Anyway…it goes without saying that a lot of the abuse was directed at Johnny Sexton (mostly that Crowley should have come on in the closing stages and we did suggest on the pod that it was an option though to say this is why we lost is just nuts) so I decided to do a quick tribute video which you see below.

Finally as I type I see Keith Earls has formally announced his retirement and of course we also appreciate his contributions to rugby over his career and indeed we have said so many times on the pod.

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Absolutely nothing, and we mean NOTHING can take away from what has been a heroic career. #ThankYouJohnny #irishtiktok #irelandtiktok

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W.XV UPDATE

Safe to say the Irish women had a better weekend of it, with their absolute thrashing of Kazakhstan in their opening match in the third tier of the inaugural WXV tournament.  

However much the result might look more like a strong opening spell of batting in the Cricket World Cup, the margin is not insignificant because it does appear that there is promotion from this level into next season’s WXV2 and with the format meaning we only have three matches to top a six-team pool where we don’t face all the other teams, the off the charts points difference will come in very handy indeed.

Best of luck to the girls in their second match against Colombia on Saturday, here’s to more of the same, you’ll be able to see it at 2pm Irish time via this link (after free registration).

Meanwhile the top tier doesn’t get underway until the second weekend and as you can see there are some interesting matchups, although the pick of the whole tournament surely has to be the repeat of the WRWC final in the final round when the Red Roses look for revenge against the Black Ferns.

WXV1 – Round 1

ENGLAND V AUSTRALIA

CANADA V WALES

NEW ZEALAND V FRANCE


WXV2 – Round 1

USA 36-26 SAMOA

SCOTLAND 31-17 SOUTH AFRICA

ITALY 28-15 JAPAN


Round 2

USA V SCOTLAND

ITALY V SOUTH AFRICA

JAPAN V SAMOA


WXV3 – Round 1

SPAIN 32-0 KENYA

IRELAND 109-0 KAZAKHSTAN

FIJI 67-13 COLOMBIA



Round 2

KAZAKHSTAN V KENYA

SPAIN V FIJI

IRELAND V COLOMBIA (OCT 21 2PM)


PREMIERSHIP UPDATE

For well over a decade pretty much the entire northern hemisphere has remarked on how Leinster go without our “elite” players at the start of the season and let me tell you, if we had ever shipped 65 points in our season opener whatever our lineup, it would be headline news.

So I don’t see why reigning Premiership champs Saracens should get any mitigation when they get tonked by Exeter in Round 1.  

As for Leinster’s Champions Cup opposition, they had mixed fortunes as Sale overcame Northampton at home while Leicester fell short at Bristol, and the two of them actually play each other at Welford Road in Round 2.

One interesting team selection was that of Finn Russell on the Bath bench and it seems he played a part in their win over Newcastle at the Rec, which would make you wonder if he’ll start next weekend against Saracens, might be worth a watch if so.

ROUND 1

BRISTOL 25-14 LEICESTER

EXETER 65-10 SARACENS

BATH 34-26 NEWCASTLE

GLOUCESTER 29-28 HARLEQUINS

SALE 20-15 NORTHAMPTON



ROUND 2

FRI OCT 20

NEWCASTLE V GLOUCESTER

SAT OCT 21

NORTHAMPTON V BRISTOL

SARACENS V BATH

LEICESTER V SALE

HARLEQUINS V EXETER


AIL UPDATE 

There remains three unbeaten teams in the Women’s AIL but something will have to give at Annacotty next weekend as UL Bohs host champions Blackrock in what won’t be a million miles away from a rerun of the recent Intepro final.

Also I hope it’s a mistake on the fixture list that both Old Belvedere and Suttonians are expected to play two league matches each in five days?  Not an ideal turnaround at the best of times but when you only have eight matches altogether in a tournament it doesn’t really seem fair to me.

Over in the men’s Div1A, champions Terenure fell to Clontarf in the repeat of last season’s final so Tarf join Shannon and Lansdowne as the only 100% sides so far. City of Armagh seem to have done well to get so close in their first ever home match in the top flight while UCD took the honours in the first Colours Match.

Nure will look to return to winning ways in Round 3 as they host Cork Con while there’s to be another North/South Dublin derby at Castle Ave as this time UCD are the visitors.

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WOMEN’S AIL

Round 4

BALLINCOLLIG 18-17 WICKLOW

BLACKROCK 55-5 GALWEGIANS

UL BOHS 57-5 COOKE



Round 4

TUE OCT 17

OLD BELVEDERE V SUTTONIANS

Round 5

SAT OCT 21

UL BOHS V BLACKROCK

COOKE V SUTTONIANS

GALWEGIANS V OLD BELVEDERE

RAILWAY UNION V BALLINCOLLIG


MEN’S AIL

ROUND 2

UCD 35-8 DUBLIN UNIV

BALLYNAHINCH 31-28 CORK CON

CITY OF ARMAGH 26-29 LANSDOWNE

CLONTARF 26-16 TERENURE

YOUNG MUNSTER 7-35 SHANNON



ROUND 3

SAT OCT 21

SHANNON V CITY OF ARMAGH

CLONTARF V UCD

DUBLIN UNIV V YOUNG MUNSTER

LANSDOWNE V BALLYNAHINCH

TERENURE V CORK CON


HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE RETURNS

The return of the URC also means the return of the HPL…for those new to this column, this will be the third season a group of Harpin contributors predict the full URC season on Superbru and while it’s only bragging rights available for finishing first (as you see below I enjoy those rights after last season!!!) there is a booby prize for finishing last and Keego had the “honours” last time around…



NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’

Obviously it would have been ideal to have the dilemma of having to cover both Leinster and Ireland next weekend, but at least the URC kickoff is there to keep us busy and we will of course be giving Sunday’s opener in Scotstoun the full Harpin treatment with a lot more besides throughout the week so keep in touch on all the usual social media channels,

And as ever, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are.  JLP


283 : Ireland v New Zealand wrap

2023 Rugby World Cup Quarter-Final, Stade de France, Paris, France 14/10/2023 Ireland vs New Zealand Ireland fans celebrate after Bundee Aki scores a tryMandatory Credit ©INPHO/Dan Sheridan

🏉 WXV kicks off

🏉 Other QFs review

🏉 Where we were short

🏉 Where they were strong

🏉 Thanks to all esp JS & KE


MARK JACKSON & CONOR CRONIN

with special reports from…Cian O’Muilleoir & “Future Jeff”