IRELAND v Australia : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Mack Hansen 13. Garry Ringrose 12. Stuart McCloskey 11. Jimmy O’Brien 10. Johnny Sexton > CAPTAIN 9. Jamison Gibson Park
1. Andrew Porter 2. Dan Sheehan 3. Tadhg Furlong 4. Tadhg Beirne 5. James Ryan 6. Peter O’Mahony 7. Josh van der Flier 8. Caelan Doris
16. Rob Herring 17. Cian Healy 18. Finlay Bealham 19. Joe McCarthy 20. Jack Conan 21. Craig Casey 22. Jack Crowley 23. Bundee Aki.
AUSTRALIA : 15 Andrew Kellaway 14 Mark Nawaqanitawase 13 Len Ikitau 12 Hunter Paisami 11 Tom Wright 10 Bernard Foley 9 Nic White
1 James Slipper (c) 2 David Porecki 3 Allan Alaalatoa 4 Nick Frost 5 Cadeyrn Neville 6 Jed Holloway 7 Michael Hooper 8 Rob Valetini
16 Folau Fainga’a 17 Tom Robertson 18 Taniela Tupou 19 Will Skelton 20 Pete Samu 21 Jake Gordon 22 Noah Lolesio 23 Jordan Petaia.
Bank of Ireland Autumn Nations Series
Saturday, November 19, 2022
Aviva Stadium Kickoff 8pm
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR) AR1: James Doleman (NZR)
AR2: Tual Trainini (FFR) TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)
Welcome to my 80+ column, a weekly post featuring final thoughts from the week of rugby just gone.
A WRAP OF A WRAP
With all due respect to Fiji, matches against them and others like Georgia are meant to be the “off” weekend in November but to us rugby nerds in particular they can be just as fascinating as the marquee matches.
Maybe last Saturday’s match wasn’t the best example of this but still on the Sunday pod (can’t believe it’s already the 3th under the new format) I was joined by Rich Mifsud and Caolán Scully to look back over the match as well as a few other bits and pieces from the rugby world, and between us I reckon we did a decent job making some points out of it, why not check it out yourself by clicking this link.
On the pod we follow a rigid enough structure to keep the whole recording under the hour so normally only one of us will get to harp on a particular topic before we move on, but my guests are encouraged to jump in if they want to prolong a conversation because even if it’s cut from the pod I can always release it separately and as you can see below there was one subject in particular we wanted to go into bit more detail on.
Hey, if he can make videos when something pisses him off why can’t we?
MARTIN SCOR-RASSIE
So below you can see the chat we had on the pod surrounding Rassie, and here is a comment I got on our YouTube channel, along with my reply.
Albert Van den berg OK. Help me. The things that he shows on video, that is true. What will you do when it’s your team. And world rugby don’t do anything? What’s the use to play rugby. And the ref does not blow right. Please help me understand.
Harpin’ On Rugby Happy to help.
1) a few selected clips do not reflect the overall context of a rugby match. Does it confirm the same incident didn’t happen the other way?
2) You and I should of course be free to post all the videos we want on social media, that’s what it’s for. But a DoR of a top tier nations who has already been banned for the same thing? Absolutely not. There are mechanisms in place for him to make his concerns known and he should stick to them.
3) Rassie (who I admire as a coach, earned all of his success to date) knows all of the above yet still persists in dealing with what can only be called “referee coercion”.
WORLD POTY
You don’t need me to tell you that I’m a big fan of both Messrs Sexton & van der Flier but even I have to admit I was surprised to see both in the four-man shortlist for World Player of the Year, and naturally there was a flurry of tweets suggesting those who were left out. Some referred to the national imbalance (France had a more successful year) while others put forward individual names they thought were missing.
Now I’m not suggesting this solution would prevent the whinging, because nothing will ever do that, but I do think it’s possible to maybe make that list a little longer.
Whatever about the fans’ opinion, going by the official graphic only the Irish lads are happy about being nominated…
BUNDEE’S BACK
I love Bundee Aki as a player and I do think he should play a part in Ireland’s RWC preparations, so I do get why he’s in the frame for selection this weekend against the Wallabies, plus we’re down a couple of leading centers to injury, but still…given the recent ban was not his first I don’t think it would have been the worst idea to leave him out of the Irish squad for November.
Watch him get the winning try on Saturday after me saying that.
CHIN UP MATE
Lot of talk about bad sportsmanship in rugby this week so how about a view of the other side…right after Ben Donaldson (on his test debut) missed the crucial kick at the end of #ITAvAUS not only did his team mates not hesitate to go console him but so did Italian 10 Tomasso Allan who chose to take the time to do likewise before celebrating. Awesome to see.
ANGRY BIRDS
I recently saw someone describe Twitter as a “cess pit”, ironically in a tweet.
That narrative really, really bugs me because from my experience Twitter has enhanced my experience of rugby by a factor of infinity. Yes, there are those who either have no idea where “the line” is or worse, know full well and happily leap over it, but that’s what the mute, block and report buttons are for. Those muppets are far outnumbered by decent people who know how to have a conversation with dignity and this should never be forgotten.
And yes, I know Elon is there doing whatever it is that he’s doing so the censoring may not always work, but it should never prevent us from keeping the discussion going. A recent exchange on twitter involving someone I have a lot of respect for (without always agreeing, that’s how it’s supposed to work) was particularly annoying.
Not going to share the tweets aimed at @andymcgeady recently but I do want to say that I stand with him. Whether those who hurl abuse have personal issues or are just bad faith actors, we should still call them out and ensure that they do not define the community.
It’s Transgender Awareness Week from Nov 13-19, click here for more information. I have harped on the trans rugby issue before in this column so all I’ll do is repost it below.
You may recall over the summer there was a pretty intense discussion over transgender participation in rugby. My position was, well, let’s just say, complicated, and I struggled to explain it the way I wanted to in the ruggersphere.
What I was trying to say was that as much as we want to leave politics out of sport, in areas like this we have to acknowledge the wider topic because it can often lead to abuse from verbal all the way to physical.
Essentially the argument of needing an outright ban simply because we’re imagining a grown man posing as a woman just to play rugby and the dangers that entails falls way short of the conversation that needs to be had on the matter.
Thankfully John Oliver did a decent job laying out the wider issue IMO so here’s his recent (NSFW) piece on it…
INJURY REPORTS
With the URC returning the weekend after next we got two injury reports and unfortunately there was not a lot of good news, especially for Ciarán Frawley who just can’t string a run of games together at all.
There’s also a lot of concern over the “no further updates” list, that’s usually where my eyes go first.
IRISH REPORT
Joey Carbery will complete the return to play protocols at Munster following his removal on Saturday for a HIA. Robbie Henshaw’s hamstring issue will rule him out of this week’s game against Australia, and he will continue his rehab at Leinster.
Jimmy O’Brien will complete the HIA process today and is expected to be available to train tomorrow.
The players who picked up knocks against South Africa – Johnny Sexton, James Ryan, Andrew Porter, Josh van der Flier and Hugo Keenan – will be monitored across the early part of the week and re-integrated into training according to their individual management plans.
Joe McCarthy returns to the squad having completed his return to play protocols.
Bundee Aki, who has trained with the squad for the past few weeks, is now available for selection having completed his suspension and the coaching intervention programme.
LEINSTER REPORT
INJURY UPDATE – AVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
Joe McCarthy: will be available to train this week following his return from the Graduated Return to Play Protocols and has joined up with the Ireland squad
INJURY UPDATE – FURTHER ASSESSMENT REQUIRED:
Harry Byrne, Jordan Larmour and Rónan Kelleher: will step up their rehabilitation this week as they return from hamstring, foot and a hamstring injury respectively
INJURY UPDATE – UNAVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
Martin Moloney: injured his ACL in the game against Scarlets and has had a procedure. He will be unavailable for the rest of the season.
Ciarán Frawley: will have a procedure tomorrow for a knee injury and will be unavailable for a number of months.
Robbie Henshaw: has returned to Leinster Rugby where he will be assessed for a hamstring injury
There are no further updates on:
Ryan Baird (concussion), Will Connors (bicep), James Lowe (calf), James Tracy (neck), Charlie Ryan (knee) and Tommy O’Brien (knee)
AIL UPDATE
The Women’s AIL is nearing its conclusion with just one more round of matches before the top four go into the semifinals. Rock ensured they will be at home with their 19-17 top of the table win at Railway Union ensures both clubs will be at home in the playoffs, with Belvo having already clinched their place. The fourth and final spot is up for grabs this weekend and two of the teams in contention UL Bohs and Galwaegians play each other while Wicklow have a tougher task against RU.
One extra thing about Wicklow RFC, it’s quite something to see them in contention for the final four this season after receiving much ridicule from some quarters (and not just them but the women’s game in general) following a series of heavy defeats.
Meanwhile over on the men’s side of things Terenure’s perfect start continued, with a 38-21 win over Hinch at Lakelands keeping them top, can’t do better than 30 points from 30! They travel to Castle Avenue to play Tarf next in what’s clearly the tie of the round although that’s not until the weekend of the 26th.
Women’s AIL
Suttonians 24-12 Ballincollig
Cooke 12-55 UL Bohemian
Old Belvedere 17-8 Wicklow
Railway Union 17-19 Blackrock College
Sat Nov 19
Ballincollig v Cooke
Blackrock College v Suttonians
UL Bohemian v Galwegians
Wicklow RFC v Railway Union
Men’s AIL
Cork Con 36-25 Lansdowne
Dublin University 34-28 Shannon
Garryowen 22-47 UCD
Terenure 38-21 Ballynahinch
Young Munster 24-19 Clontarf
Sat Nov 26
Shannon v UCD
Ballynahinch v Cork Con
Clontarf v Terenure
Dublin University v Young Munster
Lansdowne v Garryowen
THE NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
All about the Wallabies this weekend, with Tom Coleman joining me on Friday evening for a preview pod, while after having Munster representation for the wrap last Sunday, there will be harpin’ from Ulster and Connacht as Ian Frizzell and Stephen Murphy this time around. Plus of course there will be all the regular features to stay tuned to our social media channels, including Mastodon where we having been posting first of late.
In the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
Similarly to the Ireland A game a few guys did themselves no real favours in the long run. You have to worry for Carbury as he now probably has played enough to show hes not the guy to back up Sexton.
Ted Maher
If you haven’t watched it live, well then don’t 😂😂
A 35-17 win what was pretty uninspiring for long periods.
Job done, don't get me wrong.
But I expected more of a clinical performance today from what is usually a very clinical team.
A brilliant win well done you our boys in green.Roll on next week NZ❤️☘️💚👍👏💪🇮🇪
Dave Murray
Emmmmm…..roll on next week.
Odd game. Dynamic forwards but wasteful backs for Ireland, especially in the Fijian 22, yet won it at a canter after a kick up the arse at the start of the game. A win is a win is a win but the only memorable thing from this one will be the video session on Monday 😬 #IREvFIJI
Welcome to my 80+ column, a new weekly post featuring final thoughts from the week of rugby just gone.
A WRAP OF A WRAP
I can’t even begin to say how grateful I am for my contributors to all of the Harpin pods. If you’re new to the site, while we’ve been harpin’ overall since 2008, this is only the fourth season of the podcast and for the first three we’d only do one per week but now it’s 2-3 as it has become our main platform which of course means I need my group of contributors more than ever.
And during what has been a very experimental (and also just plain mental) first few months they have all been absolutely amazing giving up their time, not just spent on the Zoom calls themselves, but also in what is clearly excellent preparation, so it goes without saying this will not be the last time I thank Tom & Mark this week, and also Keego, Conor, Rich & Kino from the “core Leinster crew” and also Michelle, Ian & Padraig on whom I usually call for a view from the other provinces, plus all the others who gave joined me for a chat over the past while. All truly awesome fellow rugby nerds/nuts.
This latest wrap pod went really well I thought, why not listen for yourself, and when recording was finished it dawned on me that we have yet to do a show under the new format which covered a Leinster & Ireland defeat. Then I said that out loud so if you’re worried about my jinxing it by writing it here I’m afraid that train has already left the station!
OTHER TESTS
On the main weekly pod we do a feature called “Front Five” where we offer quick thoughts on issues from around the ruggersphere – normally I would have used all five for other tests from the weekend but there were some areas I thought deserved more spotlight (IRE A, IRE 7s & Women’s RWC) so we just looked at the two matches which finished 30-29, Fra over Aus because we play the Wallabies in a couple of weeks, and Arg over Eng because, well, do I need to explain that one?
To turn the spotlight on the others briefly, I also got to see our other November opponents Fiji playing at Murrayfield and I have to say it will be very interesting to see hat kind of team we name because although the Scots did put them to the sword, it took them a while to get in control and seeing how we’re likely to name a 23 closer to the A than the elite, we’re probably going to need our boys to gel quickly because if you open the door to these Fijians to play their way just a bit, they can really hurt you.
Then there’s Wales – to be fair they had a few flashes of good rugby but were really overpowered by an All Black set up clearly still hurting from results earlier in the year and not at all content with the 2022 Rugby Championship crown. For me the main highlight of this match was the duel between two of the top number 8s on the planet right now, Toby Faletau and Ardie Savea – obvs the latter doesn’t always play there but it helps my narrative to put it this way!
On a side note, fair play to not only the guy who typed this on his Guardian live blog feed, but also the newspaper itself for leaving it there. I know some take issue with the sentiment, using the whole “Why not give them a second chance” argument, but those same pearl-clutchers are often the very ones complaining about the right to free speech and “being cancelled” so maybe they’re not quite sure what they really want.
RWC2023 QUALIFIERS
With the Women’s RWC final next Saturday and the corruptly-hosted mens football version starting shortly afterwards, I suppose you could say it’s easy to forget the men’s RWC in France which isn’t until September, although of course Ireland’s win over RSA was a dress rehearsal for our Pool B encounter.
However I’m still a bit disappointed that the final qualifying tournament isn’t getting more coverage. Maybe given what I said about corruption in the last paragraph, it’s a little disconcerting that it is taking place in Dubai, which together with the words “Qatar Airways” appearing on URC officials jerseys suggests our own powers that be are also having their heads turned by that corner of the world.
Still, when it comes to the rugby on the pitch, there’s one spot left up for grabs between USA, Portugal, Kenya & Hong Kong with the winner taking their place in Pool C alongside Wales, Australia, Fiji & Georgia. The first round of matches saw USA & Portugal registering wins, and with them also avoiding each other this weekend it could set up a winner takes all match up which I’d hope would attract a decent amount of attention in the ruggersphere.
FROM MUSK TO NEW (MASTO)DAWN
I have been contemplating a ‘blue tick’ on the twitter for a few years now but let’s just say that is definitely not happening now! Doesn’t mean I’ll ditch the platform altogether, I still think it is a decent one for rugby the way things stand, but with all the hullabaloo over this new thing Mastodon, I could hardly not join the crowd setting up over there so if you are also partaking, by all means follow me > LINK HERE
For now I’ll keep an eye on how things are progressing there when I can although the main conversation still has to be with the little bird as things stand. Replacing it completely with similar numbers is definitely a mammoth task, pun fully intended, of course.
MUSIC AT MATCHES
Since we are primarily a site for fan opinion, I guess I really should weigh in on a number of issues that have cropped up ahead of the internationals, especially since my view seems to differ in many cases to that of the majority if social media posts are anything to go by.
At both the RDS on Friday and the Aviva on Saturday, they tried out playing little bursts of music during breaks in play. It did not seem to go over well at all. Since I wasn’t physically there either time, I can’t speak for the volume which may have been too loud but once they tone it down I have to say I can’t see it bothering me too much, sorry, I guess we can’t agree on everything!
I did particularly like the use of U2’s Vertigo after Mack Hansens try, really gives the celebrations a good little boost, although one wrinkle is that there’s always the possibility of it being called back by the TMO. Going by the crickets I heard after tweeting about this on Sunday, I guess I’m on my own here too!!!
JERSEY CLASHES
I remember the kerfuffle the last time we hosted the All Blacks in 2017, we wore the Jersey with the “anthracite” colour. I actually have that one (tho I didn’t buy it, got it in a Canterbury promotion) and I still wear it because it reminds me of the 2018 Grand Slam.
My complaint about what we wore on Saturday, however, has nothing to do with the possibility of a clash with our opposition. It just doesn’t look at all like a test jersey. And by that I don’t even mean the lack of collar (although I am quite partial to the old fashioned rugby jersey look) no, I mean the design would be fine if it was part of the kit they were warming up in, just not the one they actually play in.
Keep the alternate ones mostly white with green trim, I say.
ANTHEMS
My policy on anthems has been consistent over the years but these 80+ columns are relatively new so I’ll lay it out once more here.
Ireland’s Call may not get the pulse racing like Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau or La Marseillaise, but the constant complaining about it from the same people, many of whom I respect and agree with on virtually everything else to do with rugby, is something I find disappointing. Some try to cop out by saying they just don’t like it because it’s a poor song but I reckon they wouldn’t be happy whatever the tune.
There’s a very specific reason we add it to Amhran na bhFian at home, and sing it on its own while away. And it also happens to be a very good reason in my book, and once more I apologise if others disagree.
Plus it seemed like the Aviva crowd were giving both songs a really good airing on Saturday, although that may have been the positioning of the microphones.
LATE ARRIVALS
This one I’m actually in agreement with the majority on, if you can’t make it to your seat before a half kicks off then you can wait. Stewards can maybe look for a break in play to allow people in but that would be at their discretion and as they have many other roles, the stragglers need to be prepared to wait.
INJURY REPORT
Despite the fact that for the second week in a row the official report begins with the word “unfortunately”, I would call this a positive report, although not so much for Conor Murray who defied his critics with a good showing for his 100th cap before being forced off. Hopefully he’ll be back soon for Munster at least because they definitely need him.
Elsewhere I’m delighted for Stu McCloskey and Tadhg Furlong because especially the former did not look good leaving the pitch on Saturday and definitely earned the right to feature again in this series. Personally while I’d like to see Bundee back fighting fo his place in the future, whether or not he is available to face the Wallabies I don’t think he should unless it is absolutely necessary.
Meanwhile it’s more bad news on the injury front for Ciaran Frawley he really needs a decent run of games under his belt yet keeps getting denied, he’s getting into Carbery territory at this stage.
Unfortunately, Ireland’s latest centurion Conor Murray has been ruled out of the rest of the Series with a groin strain and will commence his rehab at Munster.
Robbie Henshaw, who missed out on Saturday’s game due to a hamstring issue, will reintegrate to training this week. Stuart McCloskey is recovering quickly from the arm issue that forced him off early against South Africa and will train this week.
Tadhg Furlong (ankle) is expected to take part in training this week while Ireland captain Johnny Sexton is recovering well from a dead leg.
From Friday night’s A game against the All Black XV, Ciaran Frawley suffered a twisted knee and will continue his rehab at Leinster. Joe McCarthy and Ryan Baird will continue their return to play protocols at Leinster.
Michael Milne, who featured against both the Pumas and the Cheetahs for Emerging Ireland in Bloemfontein, will train with the Ireland squad this week.
AIL UPDATE
There were top of the table clashes in both Women’s and Men’s top divisions last weekend, and by all accounts both were thrillers. It took a late try from Aoife O’Shaughnessy to clinch victory for Railway Union over Belvo, and for the second weekend in a row they will host a fellow 100% team when they host Blackrock College.
Meanwhile in the men’s top division it was another comeback as Clontarf reversed a 16-point deficit to overpower Dublin University although while they are still 100% their game in hand has them second behind Terenure who won convincingly at Lansdowne and host Ballynahinch next weekend while Tarf travel to play Young Munster.
Women’s AIL
Blackrock 71-7 Ballincollig
Railway Union 15-11 Old Belvedere
Wicklow 16-14 Galwegians
UL Bohemian 43-5 Suttonians
Sat Nov 12
Suttonians v Ballincollig
Cooke v UL Bohemian
Old Belvedere v Wicklow
Railway Union v Blackrock College
Men’s AIL
Round 5
Shannon 30-19 Garryowen
Lansdowne 12-32 Terenure
Ballynahinch 25-20 Young Munster
Clontarf 38-33 Dublin University
UCD 31-36 Cork Constitution
Sat Nov 12
Cork Con v Lansdowne
Dublin University v Shannon
Garryowen v UCD
Terenure v Ballynahinch
Young Munster v Clontarf
THE NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
I’ve been neglecting the TikTok account of late unfortunately, haven’t had the time if truth be told, but will get back to it soon. Definitely happening this week will be giving the match against Fiji the full Harpin treatment, with Mark Jackson returning for the preview on Friday, then Caolan Scully and Rich Mifsud pencilled in to do the wrap on Sunday. Other regular features like Rugby On TV will still be posted as well so as always, stay tuned to all our regular social media channels, and also our new one on Mastodon if you dare.
In the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
What a game. Losing players to injury before and during would’ve knocked us hard 5 years ago, but players stepped up and did everything asked of them.
Great awareness by Josh for his try, great calm heads in making sure the second was scored, not one player shirked his duty. That’s a compete team performance against some massive guys who tackle hard but Sore bodies will feel a little nicer for that win
James Griffin
Brain beats brawn. Delighted with the performance and how they adapted throughout.
Andrew Potts
A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.
The above is from the laws.
A history making double red, maybe a red and yellow if I was been nice.
The officials were disgracefully weak, and the players know the laws. Once again SA rugby displays the worst of their rugby culture. It’s a shame,as they are better players than that.
McBride had their cards marked a good punch in the head is all they understand.
Will World Rugby wait until we see a serious incident on the TV before they back Refs to the hilt to end this stupidity.
We can win against big teams. We can win when we lose multiple players to injury. We can grind it out. Subs all made positive contributions. #IREvRSA
What a game. A true test match. Kolbe’s tackle was a stone cold red card. He changed his grip and drove Hanson into the ground. However, in hindsight I’m glad he stayed on. At least the SA journos can’t use a red card as an excuse for Ireland’s win. The world champions were beaten fair and square; 15 v’s 15!
JGP really makes this team tick. When he's on form he makes Ireland so so good. #IREvRSA
It’s hard not to be happy with the win, but I think we’ve gotten so used to being in control that that one didn’t feel so good.
Murray and McCloskey were excellent until they were forced off.
Unlike A against NZ last night the senior team stayed in the fight and the scrum held up great as well. It was good to see SA front row walking away from penalties disgusted.
I know Porter is number 1 by a long shot but it was good to see Healy roll back the clock and get a good bullocking carry in.
I know it was surprising SA missed touch with that late penalty into the corner but thought Ireland should have dealt with it better.
Considering how much time Ireland were on the back foot in the first half 6-6 was a great half time score.
Can’t say the ref affected the outcome but I can say I didn’t like his performance and felt he was bad for the game rather than for one team.
Well done to Ireland.
That was a hell of test.
A tough one to take for the Boks.
So much wasn’t going right and still managed to come within a score. #IREvRSA
Great to see JGP back and so quick with ball bar one or two box kicks. O’Brien did well when he came on. McCloskey and Murray were doing well until too they had to go off. Bealham did well too and we need a good scrum when the front 3 go off. Kelleher to come back will be a big boast when he does. Still need to blood some more players. Rest Johnny until the 6 nations. Give some 10s a chance.
What I loved most was our belief early in second half going for the corner. Then it was physicality and defence. Shows we know we can win matches like this. Boks really came back at us but we struck first blow and did more than enough to stay ahead, despite changes. #IREvRSA