IRELAND v New Zealand : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Mack Hansen 13. Garry Ringrose 12. Bundee Aki 11. James Lowe 10. Johnny Sexton (C) 9. Jamison Gibson-Park
1. Andrew Porter 2. Dan Sheehan 3. Tadhg Furlong 4. Tadhg Beirne 5. Iain Henderson 6. Peter O’Mahony 7. Josh van der Flier 8. Caelan Doris
16. Ronan Kelleher 17. David Kilcoyne 18. Finlay Bealham 20. Jack Conan 21. Conor Murray 22. Jack Crowley 23. Jimmy O’Brien
NEW ZEALAND 15 B Barrett 14 W Jordan 13 R Ioane 12 J Barrett 11 L Fainga’anuku 10 R Mo’unga 9 A Smith 1 E de Groot 2 C Taylor 3 T Lomax 4 B Retallick 5 S Barrett 6 S Frizzell 7 S Cane (c) 8 A Savea 16 D Coles 17 T Williams 18 F Newell 19 S Whitelock 20 D Papali’i 21 F Christie 22 D McKenzie 23 A Lienart-Brown
Rugby World Cup 2023 Quarterfinal Saturday October 14 KO 8pm (Irish time) Stade de France TV : RTÉ2
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU) AR1: Matthew Carley (RFU) AR2: Christophe Ridley (RFU) TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)
Ireland Women v Kazakhstan : 15. Méabh Deely 14. Natasja Behan 13. Eve Higgins 12. Aoife Dalton 11. Béibhinn Parsons 10. Dannah O’Brien 9. Molly Scuffil-McCabe
1. Linda Djougang 2. Neve Jones 3. Christy Haney 4. Dorothy Wall 5. Sam Monaghan (captain) 6. Grace Moore 7. Edel McMahon 8. Brittany Hogan
IRELAND : 15 H Keenan 14 M Hansen 13 G Ringrose 12 B Aki 11 James Lowe 10 J Sexton (c) 9 J Gibson-Park
1 A Porter 2 R Kelleher 3 T Furlong 4 T Beirne 5 J Ryan 6 P O’Mahony 7 J van der Flier 8 C Doris
16 D Sheehan 17 D Kilcoyne 18 F Bealham 19 I Henderson 20 R Baird 21 C Murray 22 J Crowley 23 R Henshaw
SOUTH AFRICA : 15 Damian Willemse 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse 13 Jesse Kriel 12 Damian de Allende 11 Cheslin Kolbe 10 Manie Libbok 9 Faf de Klerk
1 Steven Kitshoff 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi 3 Frans Malherbe 4 Eben Etzebeth 5 Franco Mostert 6 Siya Kolisi (c) 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit 8 Jasper Wiese
16 Deon Fourie 17 Ox Nche 18 Trevor Nyakane 19 Jean Kleyn 20 RG Snyman 21 Marco van Staden 22 Kwagga Smith 23 Cobus Reinach
Rugby World Cup 2023 Pool B
Saturday September 23 KO 8pm (Irish time)
Stade de France
TV : RTÉ2
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR)
AR1: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
AR2: James Doleman (NZR)
TMO: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)
Also Leinster v Ulster, Fri Sep 22 6:30pm, Navan RFC
LEINSTER : 15. Chris Cosgrave 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Ciarán Frawley 11. Rob Russell 10. Harry Byrne 9. Cormac Foley
1. Jack Boyle 2. John McKee 3. Rory McGuire 4. Brian Deeny 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Max Deegan 7. Will Connors 8. James Culhane (C)
Replacements : Lee Barron, Paddy McCarthy, Thomas Connolly, Ross Molony, Conor O’Tighearnaigh, Diarmuid Mangan, Scott Penny, Ben Murphy, Sam Prendergast, Andrew Osborne, Ben Brownlee, Liam Turner, Aitzol King, Jordan Larmour
With one more weekend without an Irish men’s match ahead of RWC2023 I decided to take it easy on the content-creating front but I did agree to do a pod for Caolán Scully which was part of his preview series and looked specifically at Ireland’s chances.
In the pod I suggest that if Ireland should have “Adversity” as a buzzword we should also go with “Belief” as well, and just to get ahead of the jokes I pointed out that I know my accent makes it sound like I’m a rugby version of Tad Lasso and apparently one of Caolán’s mates agreed…
Anyway the pod was released as a joint project so it’s on my feed as number 272 but I’d also like to plug Caolán’s pod so if you haven’t heard it already check it out below.
HARPIN ON…IRELAND’S OPTIONS AT 5, 7 & 14
This week I am grateful to Caolán for letting me use his pod recording for getting two more instalmetns of my “Ireland’s options” series done, and I am also grateful to Cian “RugbyKino” O’Muilleoir for taking the time to record his bit on jersey number 7.
IRELAND’S BENCH AT RWC2023
There are only two positions left to do in our “Ireland’s options” series, I gave each contributor a choice of jersey numbers so the two that got left behind are 13 and 15 so I will do them myself in a video to be recorded Wednesday. I also did a brief TikTok on Ireland’s bench which you can see below, the plan is to do video like that every week throughout the season so you have been warned!
I’ve said it on Twitter/x and on the pod already but I literally can’t give enough praise to Leinster’s women’s squad over their Interpro title secured at Musgrave Park they had to do it the hard way yet ended up doing it in style.
I’ve also said this many many times before but I’ll keep repeating it until it happens…the provincial teams need to play more often throughout the season IMO. I know circumstances are different but a few friendlies with Scots and Welsh teams plus a home and away calendar for the Interpro itself must be doable.
PREDICTION SPREADSHEET
When we’re not calling him Rugby Kino here at Harpin Manor, Cian O’Muilleoir is The Prince Of Permutations as his tournament spreadsheets are legendary in that they allow you to plug in different scores to see what happens next.
He has worked with another Irish twitter rugby fan/legend Justin Deegan to produce one for RWC2023, just follow the instructions below to sample it for yourself…
Just save a copy to your own Google account, then plug in the scores and bonus points as they happen or as you predict and it’ll do the rest, all the way through to the finals. It includes most of the tiebreaker calculations and can handle head to head result extraction for up to 5 teams on tied points in any given group, for all the groups.
Almost as if to taunt us with one final reminder of how last season’s URC went just before the RWC kicks off, Munster have not only scheduled a men’s friendly with Leinster kicking off at 6pm on Friday (therefore finishing just as France v New Zealand gets underway), but if fans of the boys in blue are unable to travel we will have to pay at least €6 to Access Munster for the privilege. Since it’s money that technically goes to support Irish Rugby, it should be worth it but I’ll leave that determination with yourselves. I for one am very interested to see what kind of lineup we put out. And don’t forget there’s a second match set with Ulster taking place on Friday September 22 kicking off at 6:30pm at Navan RFC, tickets can be bought here.
🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE
It’s barely the beginning of September and the Top Quatorze is already three rounds in, because of course it is. I fully expect within the next couple of years the first round in a new season will actually take place before the previous year’s final, rule it out at your peril.
With the league’s penchant for teams skimping on away selections, it’s actually not that often that teams win or lose all of their opening three matches, and this year is no exception with only Stade Francais at the top and USAP at the bottom being perfect in their own way.
And because the World Cup is actually on French soil, they had to leave a massive gap between rounds 3 and 4 so it’s very difficult to speculate how the league is going to unfold from here but you whatever happens we’ll be following it all on this column throughout the season.
Round 1
Montpellier 26-15 La Rochelle
Perpignan 7-29 Stade Francais
US Oyonnax 36-17 Clérmont
Castres 24-23 Pau
Lyon 27-15 Toulon
Racing 92 23-18 Bordeaux
Bayonne 26-7 Toulouse
Round 2
Toulouse 38-13 Montpellier
Toulon 19-14 Bayonne
Bordeaux 25-23 Castres
Clérmont 38-14 Perpignan
Pau 19-17 Racing 92
La Rochelle 35-14 Lyon
Stade Francais 28-18 Oyonnax
Round 3
Bordeaux 22-17 Toulon
Clérmont 11-10 La Rochelle
Castres 37-0 Bayonne
Stade Francais 24-9 Montpellier
Pau 40-10 Lyon
Racing 92 59-10 Lyon
Oyonnax 21-27 Toulouse
Round 4
Sat October 29
Bayonne v Stade Francais
Perpignan v Pau
La Rochelle v Castres
Lyon v Clérmont
Montpellier v Racing 92
Toulon v Oyonnax
Toulouse v Bordeaux
NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
Back to full swing this week here at Harpin’ Manor, I’ll be working on that final video for the series on Ireland’s starting options this Wednesday, with just jerseys 13 and 15 left, then on Thursday our “Upcoming Rugby on Irish TV” post is back with a vengeance before we turn our full attention to Ireland v Romania with a preview featuring Mark Jackson on Friday, social media commentary throughout the match itself and of cours the wrap pod recording Sunday evening where we’re planning on attempting some time travel so be sure and look out for that,
As ever be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
Big match today to end the season promises to be a classic.
Obvs the Stormers will be favourites on their home patch but anyone who thinks Munster can’t complete what would be an unprecedented 3 away playoff wins on the bounce hasn’t been paying attention.
FWIW I reckon Graham, Peter & co will get ‘er done.
For the past few weeks we’ve been putting the matchday squads from upcoming matches through ChatGPT to see what kind of match it generates so for the record, this is what the app came up with….
PROMPT
Imagine a game of 15-a-side rugby union between DHL Stormers and Munster Rugby over two halves of 40 minutes with the two lineups outlined below, taking into account the current reputation and form of all the players involved.
DHL Stormers: 15 Damian Willemse, 14 Angelo Davids, 13 Ruhan Nel, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Leolin Zas, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Evan Roos, 7 Hacjivah Dayimani, 6 Deon Fourie, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Ruben van Heerden, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Steven Kitshoff (captain).
16 JJ Kotze, 17 Ali Vermaak, 18 Neethling Fouche, 19 Ben-Jason Dixon, 20 Willie Engelbrecht, 21 Marcel Theunissen, 22 Paul de Wet, 23 Clayton Blommetjies.
Munster: 15 Mike Haley; 14 Calvin Nash, 13 Antoine Frisch, 12 Malakai Fekitoa, 11 Shane Daly; 10 Jack Crowley, 9 Conor Murray
1 Jeremy Loughman, 2 Diarmuid Barron, 3 Stephen Archer; 4 Jean Kleyn, 5 Tadhg Beirne; 6 Peter O’Mahony (C), 7 John Hodnett, 8 Gavin Coombes.
16 Niall Scannell, 17 Josh Wycherley, 18 Roman Salanoa, 19 RG Snyman, 20 Alex Kendellen, 21 Craig Casey, 22 Ben Healy, 23 Keith Earls
Write 2000 words on the progress of the match in the form of a timeline (no conclusion, just the timeline only) reporting incidents like tries, conversions, penalties, injuries and yellow or red cards.
0’ – The match starts with DHL Stormers kicking off to Munster.
4’ – Evan Roos makes a powerful run but is tackled by Peter O’Mahony. Stormers get penalized for holding on.
5’ – Jack Crowley kicks the penalty over and Munster take an early 3-0 lead.
9’ – A great offload from Tadhg Beirne sends Gavin Coombes over the line for a try. Crowley converts and Munster lead 10-0.
14’ – Herschel Jantjies puts in a clever chip over the Munster defense and Leolin Zas collects it, dives over the line and scores a try for Stormers. Damian Willemse misses the conversion. Munster leads 10-5.
19’ – Munster put together a great attack, Jack Crowley releases Antoine Frisch who dives over in the corner to score a try. Jack Crowley converts, Munster 17-5 up.
25’ – Evan Roos makes a break through the Munster defence, but is tackled by Diarmuid Barron. The Stormers knock on and Munster wins the scrum.
31’ – A great box kick from Conor Murray is collected by Antoine Frisch who twists and turns his way through the Stormers defence to score his second try of the match. Crowley with a great conversion extends Munster’s lead to 24-5.
36’ – The Stormers put together a number of phases and eventually Ruben van Heerden burrows his way over the line for a try. Damian Willemse converts. Munster still leads 24-12.
40’ – Half time arrives with Munster in control of the game, leading 24-12. The Stormers will need to stage a comeback in the second half to win.
45’ – The Stormers start the second half dominating the early exchanges, but are unable to convert into points.
50’ – A great break from Herschel Jantjies sends Damian Willemse over the Munster try line to score. Willemse adds the conversion. Stormers start to pull their way back into the match, Munster 24-19.
55’ – A red card for Munster! Peter O’Mahony is shown the red card for a high tackle on Herschel Jantjies. Munster will play the rest of the match with 14 men.
59’ – The Stormers capitalize on the one-man advantage with Steven Kitshoff scoring a try to level the game at 24-24. Willemse makes the conversion, Stormers in the lead for the first time in the match, 26-24.
62’ – Munster hit back with a break from Shane Daly. Antoine Frisch scores his hat-trick, with Crowley converting to give Munster the lead once again, 31-26.
68’ – The Stormers make changes, bringing on Willie Engelbrecht, Neethling Fouche and Ben-Jason Dixon.
72’ – A yellow card for Stormers’ Hacjivah Dayimani after a high tackle on Jack Crowley.
74’ – Jack Crowley slots the penalty over, increasing Munster’s lead to 34-26.
79’ – Munster on the attack, but the ball is turned over by Stormers’ Deon Fourie who makes a break. Munster penalized for holding on.
80’ – Full time! Munster Rugby hold on to win the match 34-26 over DHL Stormers.
Welcome to my 80+ column, a weekly post featuring final thoughts from the week of rugby just gone.
WRAP OF A WRAP
My “cold open” to start the latest wrap pod was a true story about a neighbour who spoiled me on the result of the Bulls v Leinster match before I had a chance to catch up. To be fair, he didn’t exactly make it clear just how heavy a defeat it was.
Anyway it all meant I had to make a few tweaks to the format of the pod and thankfully both Conor and Nathan were willing to play along and did a bang up job both with the match and a review of the other sides in the competition. Another enjoyable hour of recording that I hope comes across.
If you missed it, check it out here or on most major platforms.
HARPIN ON…LEINSTER’S URC HIGHLIGHTS SO FAR
To further the cause of my desire to harp on positive Leinster topics after us getting a hiding in URC Rd 18, I asked Conor & Nathan to help me come up with six highlights from Rds 1-17 and you’ll see them in the clip below. Mine were Ross Molony’s overall contribution plus our win at Thomond Park on St Stephen’s Day.
If you’re playing the clip above maybe pop over and subscribe to the channel too? That’s where we post our Preview Show as well as other content throughout the week.
SHARKS QF TIK TOK
So it’s the Sharks up next for Leinster (at the Aviva BTW on account of The Boss at the RDSthat weekend) and we will of course be covering it in full next week but for now Nathan has offered a mini-preview for our latest TikTok.
So here’s the thing…I’m definitely 100% behind the cause for better governance and standards for Irish women’s rugby. But when I heard about this protest involving banners at Musgrave Park, let’s just say I was probably closer to 80% on this particular method.
And it wasn’t because I have anything against protest, far from it, it’s just that I had a feeling it would give the “powers that be” the opportunity to make it all about the F word, which in fact they did, with some from the media joining in the spin by referring to organisers as “nutcases”.
Look. The sooner we get away from this two sides nonsense the better. We all want the Irish women’s team to succeed. Instead of honing in on the means being used to protest maybe we should ask ourselves what the protest is actually all about. And nothing highlights the disparity between the background support for men’s and women’s rugby more than what has been happening on the pitch in recent weeks. Men = Grand Slam senior & U20 PLUS all four provinces in final 8 of URC. Women = very likely wooden spoon in Six Nations, meaning a bottom tier seeding in the new WXV tournament later in the year.
Stop spinning and punishing and instead LISTEN.
Had I been at Musgrave Park with my 8yo daughter I might not have been 100% happy about signs with the F word on them. But that certainly wouldn't stop me explaining to her the context as best as I could, starting with why the word was there in the first place.
For the next while I’m going to play around with this ChatGPT app I have and see what it spits out when asked rugby related questions. Further to the previous segment, here’s what I asked it this week. I think the ‘WNL’ it’s referring to has something to do with the women’s soccer league, so it’s clear the technology needs a bit of work.
Write 500 words on the issues facing Irish women’s rugby.
Over the past years, Irish women’s rugby has steadily grown, with the national team winning a Grand Slam in the Six Nations Championships, and Leinster women’s team winning the first ever interprovincial title. However, there are still various issues facing women’s rugby in Ireland.
One of the primary issues facing women’s rugby is funding. Despite the success of the national team, women’s rugby still receives less funding, commercial support and media coverage than men’s rugby. This inequality in funding is an issue that many women’s rugby teams around the world face, and it hinders the development of the game. The lack of financial support means that women’s teams struggle to afford facilities, equipment, and travel costs for national and international competitions.
Another significant issue is attracting and retaining players. Rugby is a high-impact sport that requires participants to be physically fit and strong, and unfortunately, not all women are confident enough to participate due to the physical demands of the sport. Women’s rugby teams need to create an awareness of the benefits of playing rugby and encourage more women to start playing rugby. Other factors that could be driving players away include the lack of facilities, early retirement, limited opportunities for support and development, and balancing rugby with personal life.
Moreover, there is a lack of coaching support available in women’s rugby. While there are many rugby clubs in Ireland, there are not enough female coaches, and many women’s teams are coached by men. The shortage of female coaches means that women players lack the right mentors and role models, which can lead to less development and less interest in pursuing rugby as a career. Furthermore, it is often harder for women to find a role in rugby coaching as it can be much more competitive, with limited job opportunities on offer.
The diversity of the women’s rugby team is also a vital issue. Historically, rugby is a sport played predominantly by white people, and this is reflected in the makeup of most of the women’s rugby teams in Ireland. It is, however, important to note that there is nothing to suggest that women of colour or ethnic minorities are less interested in playing rugby. Irish rugby should endeavour to create a more inclusive environment and invest time and resources to encourage more diversity in women’s rugby.
Finally, The Women’s National League (WNL) has been lauded for its success, but it still struggles for funding, airtime, and visibility in the Irish sports scene. Despite having some fantastic talents, both homegrown and overseas, the WNL barely reaches any audience, making it difficult to attract new investors or sponsors.
In conclusion, Irish women’s rugby has developed positively over the years, but there is still a long way to go. The issues facing women’s rugby in Ireland are similar to those worldwide. Irish women’s rugby has a considerable potential for growth, and it will require the collective effort of everyone involved in the sport to tackle the challenges and make progress towards true gender equality in rugby.
SHIELD WINNERS QUALIFYING FOR HCC
Just a quick follow up on something I mentioned last week – I was delighted to learn that the URC was switching to just derby results to determined the winners of the four geographical shields, and I still am, but the point I want to make is about the whole “Shield winners qualifying for HCC” thing.
There’s a lot of backlash against this by rugby fans, and for the most part, rightly so. Cardiff getting into the top tier competition despite finishing 10th isn’t exactly ideal. However, I’d just like to push back a tiny bit – there’s a very good reason the leagues do this, and it’s certainly not because it looks unfair.
It’s all to do with media markets. The EPCR wants there to be interest in as many of them as possible and this system is no different than that employed by US sports for decades. As it turned out, it just wasn’t a good fit for European fans and I get that. But it still comes from a place that makes some sense when you look at it a certain way.
All of that said, the rate players are leaving the Welsh regions at the moment I have a feeling Cardiff’s appearance in the 23/24 comp could be the last one for a while…
WHICH IS IT EWAN???
You have to believe me – I’d really, really, REALLY rather not have to mention the name Ewan McKenna on these pages, yet despite having unfollowed him ages ago, Elon Musk still insists on shoving him in my face by way of my “For You” timeline. Now I KNOW I could always just block him, but my core belief is that blocking has to be the last resort as you should always at least be willing to take in views you don’t agree with so I tolerate his stuff for the most part.
This weekend however I wonder if he tripped himself up with his own fabricated narratives. I think in his mind he’s on a safe footing having a pop both at rugby as a whole, and at Dublin GAA in particular, as both will get him attention among similar groups of rage-tweeters.
Yet have a look at the two classic EMcK offerings below, one where he effectively says “why can’t we just say the Irish women’s team is shit?” while just 24 hours later he’s saying a men’s team lost to Dublin because of a lack of funding. Which is it mate?
Just further proof that he’s an agenda-driven spoofer who clearly must be devastated that his idol Tucker Carlson got fired (and yes, he even tweeted about that though I won’t share it).
TOTTENHAM??? WTF???
My title for this segment has two meanings.
First and foremost for a rugby site, it of course has to do with the fact that the 2024 Champions and Challenge Cup finals are due to be played at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. I have been there, and have to say it really is an impressive arena.
The problem many fans seem to have with the announcement is that a lot of finals have been staged in England over recent years, which is ironic because there has been a lot of complaints from across the water in recent weeks about the amount of matches the Aviva have been hosting lately.
I will push back a tiny bit however in this case…THFC were promised the event in 2021 only for COVID to intervene, so it was kind of inevitable for them to get it sooner rather than later. Maybe we can say the finals are being held too often in England but we should allow at least a bit of understanding when it comes to pandemic-related issues.
My second reason for the heading brings me to some full disclosure when it comes to this issue. For over 40 years Tottenham have been my favourite “top” football club. I know that makes me a laughing stock now (and trust me I have heard EVERY joke especially the one about the rugby meaning there will finally be a trophy in the stadium!) so FWIW I’ll briefly explain how I came to support them.
When I moved to Ireland from the USA I started boy’s school here in 3rd class and while rugby was the main sport everybody was playing, they also all seemed to be following an English soccer team so I felt pressure to find one for myself as my family had no allegiances whatsoever. Around the time I was in the market for a team, Tottenham made the headlines even on Irish TV when they won a match by 9 goals to 0, with a player named Colin Lee (my mother’s maiden name) scoring four of the goals.
So that was it for me. Tottenham till I die. And to be fair they DID go on to win a few trophies over the next few years so that kind of cemented it. Now all they do is have my sons cursing me for passing the fandom on to them….
INJURY REPORT
Mixed bag of news from the report…first it’s a pain that James Lowe won’t make it especially considering how he picked up the injury (skipping in celebration as JGP was dotting down against Leicester). The upside is that it gives Jordan Larmour a perfect opportunity to remind us what he can do on a big European stage.
The big dilemma seems to be in the back row. Baird/JVDF/Doris with Conan on bench seems to be our preferred selection but with two of those doubtful it throws open a rake of possibilities to our selection for Saturday, including Caelan Doris involved in different believable scenarios where he could be 6, 7 or 8.
POSSIBLE 23 V TOULOUSE
Keenan, Larmour, Ringrose, Henshaw, J O’Brien, R Byrne, Gibson-Park
Porter, Sheehan, Furlong, Molony, Ryan (c), Baird/Doris, van der Flier/Doris/Penny, Doris/Conan
McKee, Healy, Ala’alatoa, Jenkins, Conan/Deegan, McGrath, H Byrne, Frawley.
(note – the above team is purely from my imagination, it’s certainly not one of those quasi-leaked Thornley teams which are always 22 out of 23 correct)
INJURY UPDATE – FURTHER ASSESSMENT REQUIRED:
Ryan Baird: will step up his rehabilitation this week as he recovers from a shoulder injury and a final decision will be made on his availability later in the week
Josh van der Flier: will step up his rehabilitation this week as he recovers from an ankle injury and a final decision will be made on his availability later in the week
Vakhtang Abdaladze: was withdrawn from the game against the Emirates Lions with a neck injury and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made on availability
Michael Milne: has entered the Graduated Return to Play Protocols and will be assessed as the week progresses
Tommy O’Brien: injured his shoulder in the first half against Vodacom Bulls and will be further assessed this week
Cormac Foley: returned to training last week following a hamstring injury and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made on availability
Charlie Ngatai: returned to training last week following a hamstring injury and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made on availability
INJURY UPDATE – UNAVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
Ed Byrne: injured his tricep in the second half against Vodacom Bulls and will be unavailable for selection this week
Rhys Ruddock: injured his hamstring against the Emirates Lions and had a procedure at the weekend
There are no further updates on:
James Lowe (calf), Johnny Sexton (groin), Jamie Osborne (knee), Rónan Kelleher (shoulder), Joe McCarthy (ankle) and Martin Moloney (knee)
AIL UPDATE
Big semifinal weekend all across the five division as well as across the island, with some interesting results. The Tarf v Nure final was to be expected but Young Munster sure ran their hosts close at Castle Avenue that’s for sure. And just to show these matches don’t always go with seeding, Highfield provided an upset by overturning Belvo to leave the promotion playoff an all-Munster affair. If they can overcome Shannon in a couple of weeks then they will replace them in the top flight.
Once again I’d like to point out that while it was great that many of these club matches were available for streaming, it’s still a shame that they had to clash on the calendar with both W6N & URC fixtures.
DIVISION 1A SEMIFINALS
Clontarf 13-12 Young Munster
Terenure 30-12 Cork Con
DIV 1B PROMOTION SEMIFINALS
Old Belvedere 17-19 Highfield
Shannon 24-6 Old Wesley
MLR UPDATE
I could have watched a match from Week 10 and reported on it here. Or, I could have just summarized what happened for you in Week 10 and looked ahead to Week 11. But even if I had, you wouldn’t have noticed my reports anyway because the only thing from Major League Rugby last weekend was the brawl in the video below, so I might as well just share it.
My spell back in first place lasted just one week, mostly because I forgot that Lions v Zebre kicked off at 12 on Saturday, thus leaving out my prediction which would have earned me a point to keep me ahead of Kino.
Still looking back over past 80+ columns earlier in the season I realised that both myself and Kino have scored exactly 100 points since Round 5, but it should be pointed out that even with just 7 matches left to forecast, we’re definitely not the only two still in contention for the crown. And special mention to Kristian Ross for a top notch performance in the second half of the season.
THE NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
Just to warn you, I’m going to be typing this a lot for the next few days > 🚽🚽
In case you haven’t been clued into the joke, those emojis represent Toulouse, not because we think they stink or anything, rather a play on “two loos”.
Anyway…we will of course be giving the big semifinal at the Aviva the full Harpin treatment, with a preview with Keego recording on Friday a wrap pod featuring our Westmeath/Meath coaching combo of Mark J & Tom C on Sunday, plus a whole lot more in between.
In the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
For this week’s TT I’m going back exactly two years to an article I wrote on the Irish Women’s team after a defeat in the 2021 Six Nations; I thought it was interesting to evaluate what has/hasn’t been done in the meantime. It’s certainly hasn’t been nothing, but it also certainly hasn’t been enough, and it’s noteworthy that the two players I quote at the beginning of the article have both left the team by choice since.
In the meantime we have seen a constant stream of articles, sometimes highlighting positive moves forward, but other times highlighting either actual negative acts or a general lack of necessary action. Then the “debate” proceeds on Twitter where basically anyone who pushes back against the status quo is either asked to forget about the past or gets derided as “nameless keyboard warriors”.
The only way forward is to have less rowing and more listening.
My plan was to give the Ireland v France match the “full Harpin treatment”, ie cover it exactly as I would the men’s team. There was a preview on Friday, I’d tweet during the match, collect opinions after the fulltime whistle which I would then share in a post on the Sunday, and finally this writeup on the Monday.
But as the match wore on it dawned on me – is this really helping? If I left my scheduled Facebook post asking followers to “Feel free to leave your thoughts…” to publish on time would that be guaranteed to provide the constructive debate we usually get each weekend after the Leinster & Ireland men’s teams play?
Now to be clear, I wasn’t asking this because I saw the scoreline as a disaster that wasn’t worth commentary, far from it. My personal impression from the 80 minutes was that this was the same starting XV which won convincingly in Cardiff just seven days before, they opened the match with the same will and determination and managed to get the first score on the board, only to just lack the required accuracy to keep the momentum going and ended up getting punished by a squad which had a lot more rugby in their legs.
“We played into the French hands by trying to move the ball too quickly, by not being set. Our accuracy in the breakdown when we’re challenged by a world-class team let us down.” – Claire Molloy
“I must say, the gap wasn’t huge. If we tighten up a few areas, I’d like to see us go forward and we’ve next weekend and we can show that.” – Ciara Griffin
Those post match comments from senior players in the team perfectly reflected what I saw. There were many positives from them throughout the match, and not just in that opening spell. When we played with accuracy, there were good outcomes, and our two tries off set pieces showed that. Plus with players like Stacey Flood impressing off the bench, we showed that while our depth may not have been as strong as our opponents’, we still definitely had it.
But would the wider viewing public feel the same? Or could they bring themselves to see past the scoreline and at least try to talk about a glass that’s half full?
So I cancelled the Facebook post and just monitored the online reaction myself privately as the weekend wore on, and I also realised that penning a match writeup exactly the same way I do week in week out on these pages probably wasn’t going to help all that much either.
Then on Sunday morning I came across the tweet thread you see below (reproduced with permission of the account owners btw)
“Women’s sport has come a long way in recent years. In particular, the popularity of women’s rugby has grown hugely.
5/6 years ago on SM 80% of the chat about women’s rugby was negative. It was largely abuse, misogyny dressed up as a “joke” all from non-fans.
Nowadays it’s 80% support. People who love the sport, who’ve taken the time to get to know the women’s game. True fans of the team. The game is now getting incredible media coverage. The women are getting some of the exposure they deserve. Our game is being celebrated.
But unfortunately there is still that 20% of abuse. I’m sure it doesn’t sound like much, and the men get online abuse too when they lose, none of it is ever ok.
But what stings when it’s comes to the women’s game is this:
As female athletes, their womanhood is the target. The abusive comments are always dripping with misogyny. Everything from comparing their standard to men’s or teenage boys, to telling them to get back in the kitchen to comments on their sexuality.
Often the abuse is dressed up as “genuine criticism”. Let me tell you unequivocally, that when you’ve seen it for years, you see through it.
The abuse comes from men 99% of the time. It comes from men who hardly know the game and know even less about the women’s side. From men who are silent when we win and loud when we lose.
It’s not ok. Sexism and misogyny aren’t acceptable. The players see it, and no matter how thick skinned they are, it still hurts. Because they’ve fought this misogyny all their life, just to get to play sport at this level. Even when they’ve “made it” it’s still there. Always.
Telling fans or players to “ignore it” solves nothing. It doesn’t lessen the impact of what is said. It doesn’t make it easier to see the abuse. And it doesn’t do anything to stop the abuse. It needs to be challenged. The positivity needs to get louder, drown it out.
As supporters, the 80% you’re already doing so much of that. You’re shouting louder. You’re offering unyielding support. You see the negatives as opportunities to improve and the positives are celebrated. As supporters, whether you know it or not, you are countering the abuse.
You do so with positive support online, by clicking into articles about the team, by listening to podcasts and by buying jerseys.
Thank you for your positivity. Thank you for your support. Onwards to SATURDAY!”
I don’t think I could have found a better explanation of how we can help the team. And I particularly like the use of percentages because it goes toward defining the spectrum of opinion and forces you to ask yourself where you are on it.
Obviously I see myself in the 80% as mentioned and I’m pretty sure nobody would dispute that. However, if you were to break down that majority into smaller groups again, I’d have to hold up my hand and admit that I’m a lot closer to the minority than I’d like.
I know just the mere presence of a word like “misogyny” will trigger a lot of men to react yet anyone who denies it exists is fooling himself, and it’s up to us to call it out whenever we see it. But that’s not all that requires discussion here so this article isn’t about that.
Actually the part that I found myself identifying with the most was this : “Everything from comparing their standard to men’s or teenage boys…“. I know I’ve been guilty of this.
I have thought for a long time that if there was one thing the organisers of women’s rugby should do first it would be to vow not to model every competition on the men’s equivalent. And gradually over time they have done this, like scheduling the Women’s World Cup in a different year to the men and this year even the Six Nations made some changes to make sure it was played this season.
Personally I like the pool format and if anything I’d look to expanding it to include the likes of Spain and the Netherlands in future seasons but if they must return to the six-team round robin, I really think they should consider at least keeping it in a different window to the male equivalent for maximum exposure.
But for all my talk about making sure there was a difference, there was I planning to cover them today exactly the same as the men!!! And had I done my normal writeup, I probably would have over-analysed specific match situations using the sort of thing I’d expect from the men as a framework.
If I really want to help, that has to stop. When I think about it, to appreciate the differences between the two codes you don’t even have to consider gender. We’re talking about two completely different sets of people who might be playing the same sport and wearing practically the same green jersey, yet their journeys to getting there have been very different.
Over the weekend there was an article in the Indo by Sinéad Kissane where she tells the story of the first ever Irish women’s international in 1993. Even though the men’s game was only on the cusp of professionalism at the time, the gulf in how the teams prepared was still incredibly wide then, and unfortunately this disparity was still evident in 2012 on an infamous away date with the French.
Clearly a lot of those issues have been resolved, and much success has followed from there including a Grand Slam and a World Cup semifinal, culminating in our hosting of the 2017 global competition in both Dublin and Belfast.
However things since then haven’t exactly gone so well it’s fair to say, though to blame it all entirely on the IRFU might be a bit harsh. In fact, if anything the shift to professionalism has been a bit similar to what originally happened with the men in that both England and France were the first to make the switch and were always better positioned logistically to bring it about more quickly.
Say what you like about the amount of mistakes the Irish players made on Saturday, but if you think the 80 minutes would have progressed exactly the same if they had played as much top level rugby with exactly the same facitlities as their opposition over the past 12 months then there’s no point discussing further because we’d be on competely different pages.
That said, while the responsibility for the current situation doesn’t lie completely at the door of our own union (also when you factor in COVID-19 and all the uncertainly and reduced funding it has brought) there’s really nowhere else for us to look when it comes to finding a path forward.
Is a completely fulltime set up for the senior women’s squad an attainable goal right now? If not, then what can we do to raise the levels from where they are? And what of the other end of the scale – are the structures right in the club game to attract the Ciara Griffins, Claire Molloys and Beibhinn Parsons of the future?
Obviously those questions are well above my paygrade to answer, but if we want to help as fans, we still need to be asking them, as well as clicking on the articles and listening to the podcasts and buying the jerseys.
And we also need to make sure we don’t let a result like this turn us off from supporting the girls. They now play Italy next week in a third place play-off. For one thing, it will be a great leveller to see where the team really is, especially as the Italians have impressed in their two matches so far with a well-organised defence.
But also, for all the talk about England and France dominating the European women’s game, third place in the Six Nations will carry a lot of weight in future seasons as it will mean qualification for the new WXV tournament which World Rugby announced recently. We definitely want to be a part of that.
And speaking of qualifying, our road to the next World Cup lies through a series involving Italy, Scotland and probably Spain. This should happen later in 2021 so the more rugby the girls can play between now and then the better.
Details like these are ones we need to know and when the matches come about, we must offer our full support. I understand our clash with Italy has been switched to Dublin for COVID reasons so at the time of writing I’m not entirely sure if the kickoff time is still 12pm.
Hopefully it will avoid a clash with the other matches the same weekend – I know the enthusiasm isn’t exactly high for the Rainbow Cup but let’s not forget the match in Cardiff was put right up against Exeter v Leinster so this is another area where the organisers must do better.
In the meantime I will try to do better myself by getting behind the team whenever they play and looking for information in the right places like following @IrishWomens and websites like Scrumqueens and fingers crossed the day won’t be long coming that the 80% gets a lot closer to 100% and I can produce writeups that do the team justice. JLP
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