Harpin’ On…Possible Sexton ban

Earlier this week it was reported that Ireland skipper Johnny Sexton has been accused of three disciplinary breaches on the day of the Champions Cup final at the Aviva Stadium, and that an independent panel was going to convene to discuss the possibility of a sanction.

With online reporting being what it is these days, naturally the story was originally broken using this heading : “Exclusive: Sexton could be forced into early retirement with 24-week ban”.  Obviously it’s the most basic formula being used there, namely choosing a headline that mentions the most extreme possible outcome to attract the most clicks and reaction.  And I have to give extra points to the City AM team for including a perfectly teed up photo with the article, we can only assume Johnny here is saying something like “fine display of refereeing there Jaco!!!”.

Anyway if a reaction is what they wanted, then that’s definitely what they got.  Well, first, let me give you mine.  

I know there are many who will assume since I’m a Leinster supporter then I’ll somehow choose to defend these allegations, but assuming they’re true and he did say those things at different times, well, I can’t defend them.  Of course there’s no excuse for saying anything to officials on the day of a match unless you are the nominated captain on the pitch while play is still going on, and even then it needs to be done respectfully.  

We all understand the disappointment of any kind of a loss and that goes double when it’s a major final and possibly triple when a match goes the way that one did.  But it should go without saying that we expect more from our leaders and all the way down to school children we want them to show respect to both opposition and officials especially in defeat.

But when it comes to the discussion over what kind of ban he’s going to receive, maybe we should all just back up a little.  For one thing, reports of this incident started breaking within hours of it happening and before we had any actual details, in several corners of the internet he was proclaimed guilty from the get go.  And I don’t just mean corners of the internet from countries outside of Ireland like the ones we’re due to face in the World Cup either.

Look, Johnny Sexton has always been a polarising force within the Irish bubble.  And even when he’s wearing the green jersey, a lot of supporters find it very difficult to acknowledge his contribution to Ireland’s success over the years and only seem to speak up when he makes the wrong kind of headlines.   And that’s fine, like I’ve said many times before, different people follow rugby for different reasons.

So while the online media have their own motives for suggesting this ban could rule him out of the World Cup, many seem to think there’s no chance he’ll get a ban simply because he is who he is and that the World Cup couldn’t do without him.

OK, well all of that speculation is fine, I guess, but I wonder if there’s any other method we can use to help us work out what kind of ban he could get for doing something like this?  How about precedent?  Have rulings been issued before for not respecting officials?  And is there any way we can link those involved in previous rulings to this particular case?

On November 23, 2022, Ruairidh O’Connor posted an article in the Irish Independent which had this headline : “Irish rugby should be finding ways to tempt Ronan O’Gara away from England job” (behind paywall)

Why am I bringing that up here?  Well first of all, I have to point out that I don’t argue with that sentiment at all – I think ROG has done extremely well as a coach and definitely should be on the IRFU’s radar, if just a long-term one for now, only a fool would argue otherwise.

But the reason I mention that Indo article is that on the very same day, the BBC reported that O’Gara had just received his fourth suspension in a year from French rugby.  What were those suspensions for?

In November 2021, O’Gara was banned for two weeks for “showing disrespect to the authority of an official” during a match against Toulon.

He was then suspended for two weeks in April 2022 for “indiscipline” and “challenging the decisions of officials” in a game against Racing 92

Then in September 2022 it was six weeks for “lack of respect” and “action against an official” at Lyon.

Finally this fourth ban in November 2022 was for 10 weeks for “harming the best interests of rugby”

Am I comparing his four offences over the space of a year to Sexton’s three in one day?  Maybe a bit, and maybe they are different circumstances in their own right, but while the incidents may not have happened in the same actual ball-park, they are definitely in the same topical one. 

So I have to say I’m baffled as to why neither the online entity that originally broke the Sexton story, nor the Irish supporters that are so happy to point out the possible consequences, are able to at least offer the O’Gara situation up as a comparison, I mean even without the fact that they were on opposite sides that day at the Aviva Stadium, you could say their career paths have crossed a few more times over the years.

If it took four hearings for O’Gara to be banned for 10 weeks, then the case against Sexton will need to be really, really bad for his first to get him anything close to that.  I’m not saying it’s impossible, and I’m not saying I’m at all happy about these reports and I wish he hadn’t done it, I just want to be sure that when we’re talking about it we’re using all the relevant information, and I’d say this was pretty relevant.

One thing I’m sure all Irish supporters agree on is that we hope that whatever the outcome of this matter, the effect on our World Cup chances is minimal.  We’ll just have to wait and see.

We’re planning to go back to our Sunday night pod recording times this coming weekend, for now we’re going to look at the Irish Under 20s as they prepare for the Junior Rugby World Championships down in South Africa so don’t forget to like, share, and subscribe to all our social media channels and in the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are, stay safe everyone, slán. JLP

Harpin’ On…Jean Kleyn

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Hi Jeff Pagano here from Harpin On Rugby.  

We’ve been taking a couple of weeks off since the end of the 2022/23 season, obviously as a Leinster fan it didn’t exactly end up the way we wanted but overall as our first season with our new podcast based format we still had a lot of quality rugby to harp on going back to the beginning of last September and we look forward to getting back to it soon.

But I just thought I’d check back in with a TikTok today because there has been a lot of debate on Twitter over the past 24 hours or so since news broke that Jean Kleyn might be returning to the South African squad after being pretty much out of the Irish test picture since the 2019 World Cup.

Look.  One thing I’ve learned doing this over the years is that while  we all share a love of rugby, the fact remains we all love it for different reasons.  We’re all looking for something different from it.  And that doesn’t necessarily mean any of us is right about what we want from it, it’s just different.  For me, yes, I’m a Leinster supporter, I’m happy when we win, disappointed when we lose.  But I’m also an Ireland supporter, also happy when we win, also disappointed when we lose.   And to be an Ireland supporter I believe you have to be able to put the provincial stuff behind you, it’s an absolute necessity.

Now when it comes to Kleyn, of course I appreciate that there’s a fear among Munster fans that if he ends up taking advantage of the new rules to play for the Springboks, there’s a chance he might not be able to play for the province again.  And no team wants to lose their best players, especially one that played a large part in their winning their first trophy in over a decade.  That’s totally understandable.

You can probably tell I’m about to say but, right?  So here goes….BUT….

What exactly are we trying to say is happening when Kleyn is left out of the Irish training squad ahead of the World Cup?   Does it mean Andy Farrell thinks he’s not up to test standard?  Does it mean Farrell has something against him?  Does it mean he’s blaming him for Ireland’s performance in 2019?  Does it serve as further proof that there’s an anti-Munster or pro-Leinster bias in the Irish coaching ticket?

OR…could it mean that going back to the squad he picked ahead of the 2021 Autumn Nations Series it seems perfectly obvious that he is a coach that knows the way he wants play, selects the players he wants to fit that style regardless of what province they hail from, and since that time, has only been on the losing side twice, once in Paris against a French side on its way to a Grand Slam, and next in Auckland against an All Black side he went on to beat twice in the following weeks?

Just to be clear….I am aware that just because you win a bunch of games in a row that doesn’t guarantee you success in the immediate future, if you’ll recall I already mentioned I’m a Leinster supporter so I know this all too well.

But seriously….what does a test coach have to do to get a bit of leeway when it comes to his decisions?  We all know that no matter what squad he picks, someone is going to be left out, right?  We all know that those players who don’t quite make it are going to hail from one of the four provinces no matter what, right?  And we all know that a test coach probably shouldn’t make his decisions based on whether or not that means a player is going to stay at a particular province, right? 

I could go into a defence of the players who have made the squad ahead of Kleyn, I could also go into a defence of Farrell’s tendency to go for more versatile position players on the fringes of his squad, but really it’s not about that.  If this was just about a debate over the composition of the squad I wouldn’t be doing this video because we’ll always disagree on selections.  It’s just that there’s an extra element to this Kleyn debate that goes too far and probably would have if it involved a player from any of the other three provinces too.

It’s perfectly natural for Munster fans to still be on a high after their win in Cape Town, I know I would be if Leinster had found the extra points needed to turn our last couple of results around.  And like I already said, it’s perfectly natural to be concerned about losing a key player.  But I guess all I’m saying here is that maybe those two factors are leading some people to conclusions that are ignoring a lot of other facts.  

The Irish test squad is in a really really good place right now.  And from what I’ve seen it really looks like one of the many things Farrell is good at is giving the players he does select the belief they need to overcome pretty much any mental obstacle that can be thrown at them, from the whole “never won a test series in New Zealand” thing to the whole “no matter who he picks one set of provincial fans is going to complain” thing.

So this has me wondering…since the URC doesn’t kick off again until the World Cup has just four nations left, maybe we can take a break from the provincial stuff for a few months and just be Irish supporters?   

Anyway…like I said, a lot of us seem to want different things from following rugby but just so you know, here at Harpin’ Manor we’ll be taking another week or two off from the regular content, I mean there’s still a lot going on like the Irish sevens in both genders taking part in the European series, the Top 14 and Super Rugby playoffs, but we won’t be going back into full swing until Irish Under 20s start their Junior World Championships and then it will be all about the World Cup so be sure and stay tuned to all our social media channels and in the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are, stay safe everyone, slán. JLP

235 : IRELAND V ENGLAND WRAP aka “Gran’s Lamb”

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James Griffin

England brought physicality but not a lot of game nous. Ireland, while not always as precise as in previous games, matched their physicality but in addition, had good game management and made good decisions at crucial times. Delighted for the entire squad; a fully deserved slam.

Gavin Hegarty

Not a good Irish performance but always great to get a slam.

Up for discussion is where rugby is going. A red card should be for a malicious act, not for what steward did. His offence was a yellow at most.

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Tim Stickland  Congratulations Ireland. Great shift from Johnny Sexton. RWC looks fantastic with the French in great form too.

RichardMifsud It seems I’m required to force myself to have a celebratory #whiskey


FRONT FIVE ARTICLES

  1. Nine tries, 66 points and a frantic finish – Gonzaga claim first Senior Cup after famous win over Blackrock – Independent.ie [Des Berry]
  2. RTÉ and Virgin Media secure Rugby World Cup 2023 rights | World Rugby
  3. Six Nations: Scotland survive incredibly nervy finish as Blair Kinghorn scores hat-trick of tries against Italy | The Scotsman [Graham Bean]
  4. Wales end Six Nations campaign on losing note against France – The Irish Times 
  5. Six-try Ireland U20s make history with back-to-back Grand Slam titles (the42.ie) [Sinead Farrell]

SIX NATIONS WRAP

ROUND 5

SCO 26-14 ITA

FRA 41-28 WAL

IRE 29-16 ENG


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234 : Harpin’ Preview Show #IREvENG (aka “The Canned Ham Decider”)



IRELAND : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Mack Hansen 13. Robbie Henshaw 12. Bundee Aki 11. James Lowe 10. Johnny Sexton (c) 9. Jamison Gibson Park

1. Andrew Porter 2. Dan Sheehan 3. Tadhg Furlong 4. Ryan Baird 5. James Ryan 6. Peter O’Mahony 7. Josh van der Flier 8. Caelan Doris

16. Rob Herring 17. Cian Healy 18. Tom O’Toole 19. Kieran Treadwell 20. Jack Conan 21. Conor Murray 22. Ross Byrne 23. Jimmy O’Brien


ENGLAND : 15. Freddie Steward 14. Anthony Watson 13. Henry Slade 12. Manu Tuilagi 11. Henry Arundell 10. Owen Farrell (C) 9.  Jack van Poortvliet 

1. Ellis Genge 2. Jamie George 3. Kyle Sinckler 4. Maro Itoje 5. David Ribbans 6. Lewis Ludlam  7. Jack Willis 8. Alex Dombrandt

16. Jack Walker 17. Mako Vunipola 18. Dan Cole 19. Nick Isiekwe 20. Ben Curry 21. Alex Mitchell 22. Marcus Smith 23. Joe Marchant 


Guinness Six Nations Championship 2023

Round 5

Sat Mar 18 KO 5pm

Aviva Stadium, Dublin


Referee: Jaco Peyper (SARU)

AR1: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR)

AR2: Pierre Brousset (FFR) 

TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)

Live on: Virgin Media One, ITV1

232 : SCOTLAND v IRELAND WRAP

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Conor Cronin The wins in the previous 3 rounds with a big injury list, outdone by getting through that game in spite of the injuries.

We allowed the scots to dictate big parts of that game but once we took charge we’d 2 quick tries and that was it. raging for James Ryan not to get the score or the assist with that fine supporting run, and not to have got the BP.

Players really stood up and were counted, and while there were mistakes it’s the attitude of getting up and getting the next phase right that is the core of this team right now.

James Griffin What a very special group of men! To play through so much adversity and win is why they have the ranking they have. Speedy recovery to the injured.

Mark Jackson Think that covers most contingencies ..struggling to come up w new ones ..maybe Hugo Keenan as a LO jumper…Jukebox finally kicking for goal.

Kevin Kelehan Dogged in the extreme, not much more could have gone against them, the disallowed first try, the smashing of Doris in the air in the line out and no sanction, then Sheehan and then Henderson so early in the game. Today was proof that even a much improved Scotland with tails up in front of a noisy crowd could not derail Ireland seriously discommoded by injuries. Time to nail Farrell and Catt down for a contract extension before the World Cup!

Lee O Farrell They always talk about the rub of the green but the lads today made their own luck.

An incredible performance. One of the things that sets this group apart from previous Irish teams is the headspace. And these lads have it in spades!

Andrew Potts Every benefit of the doubt was given to Scotland by the Ref.

Even the fact he was joking around when Ringrose was being attended to for a serious injury was completely tone deaf.

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Brian Nisbet Grand Slam still very much on. 7-22 in Edinburgh. Very scrappy match and concerning injuries, but still, it’s a win and any issues will be forgotten after the fifth win next weekend.

Marc Fritsche The players will be in nothing but ice baths for the week, that was extremely physical


FRONT FIVE ARTICLES

  1. Portugal and Georgia to contest REC 23 Grand Final (rugbyeurope.eu) 
  2. Blackrock set up schools cup final rematch with Gonzaga after edging St Michael’s in thrilling finale – Independent.ie [Des Berry]
  3. Ireland close in on U20 Grand Slam defence after 75-point demolition of Scotland (the42.ie) [Lewis Stuart]
  4. Wales finally win a Six Nations match as old face returns to make difference – Wales Online [Steffan Thomas]
  5. Shambolic England given a France masterclass (lastwordonsports.com) [Charlie Inglefield]

SIX NATIONS ROUND 4 WRAP

ROUND 4

ITA 17-29 WAL

ENG 10-53 FRA

SCO 7-22 IRE



ROUND 5

SAT MAR 18

SCO V ITA

FRA V WAL

IRE V ENG

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231 : Harpin Preview Show – #SCOvIRE


IRELAND : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Mack Hansen 13. Garry Ringrose 12. Bundee Aki 11. James Lowe 10. Johnny Sexton > (c) 9. Conor Murray

1. Andrew Porter 2. Dan Sheehan 3. Tadhg Furlong 4. Iain Henderson 5. James Ryan 6. Peter O’Mahony 7. Josh van der Flier 8. Caelan Doris

16. Ronan Kelleher 17. Cian Healy 18. Tom O’Toole 19. Ryan Baird 20. Jack Conan 21. Jamison Gibson Park 22. Ross Byrne 23. Robbie Henshaw


SCOTLAND : 15. Stuart Hogg 14. Kyle Steyn 13. Huw Jones 12. Sione Tuipulotu 11. Duhan van der Merwe 10. Finn Russell 9. Ben White

1. Pierre Schoeman 2. George Turner 3. Zander Fagerson 4. Richie Gray 5. Jonny Gray 6. Matt Fagerson 7. Jamie Ritchie (c) 8. Jack Dempsey

16. Fraser Brown 17. Jamie Bhatti 18. Simon Berghan 19. Scott Cummings 20. Hamish Watson 21. Ali Price 22. Blair Kinghorn 23. Chris Harris


Guinness Six Nations Championship 2023

Round 4

Sun Mar 12 KO 3pm

Murrayfield


Referee: Luke Pearce (England)

AR1: Wayne Barnes (England)

AR2: Christophe Ridley (England)

TMO: Stuart Terheege (England)

Live on: RTÉ2, ITV1


230 : “The 6N 2-rounds left panel”


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227 : Opposition view – Edinburgh & Scotland

DAM Health Stadium, Edinburgh

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226 : ITALY v IRELAND WRAP

2023 Guinness Six Nations Championship Round 3, Stadio Olimpico, Rome, Italy 25/2/2023 Italy vs Ireland Ireland’s Mack Hansen Mandatory Credit ©INPHO/Dan Sheridan

🏉 IRELAND’S CAAAA…..

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🏉 ……..AAAAAAAA………

🏉 Italy’s improvement

🏉 …AAAAAAAAAAAAALL.


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Imelda Reidy Great Italian performance. Job done. 5 points. On we roll.

Andrew Byrne Today showed one thing in particular, that Gary Ringrose is a world class operator and is streets ahead of the rest of them at playing outside centre. 12 and 13 are two very different positions, as shown by our defensive lapses today.

Alan Murphy Brilliant. Two teams playing the game in a positive way. Italy have really improved. Let’s be honest, some of our team today were 2-3rd choice and a few played out of position. We scored a bonus point, left some tries out there and also managed to think our way out of danger today. Previously we would have lost this game. Building strength in depth. So positive from me.

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Joanne  In fairness to Kieran Crowley, not only has he got Italy playing brilliantly, he’s got them believing too. So good to see and long may it continue.

Koochulainn Another win with a bonus point without conceding a losing bonus.

The performance wasn’t perfect, and Italy found some flaws in the defensive system, but you can’t get any more than five points.

Italy were great value for money too. After today and the 20s last night Italian rugby is heading in a good direction.

POTM Mack Hansen dropping an F bomb in the post match interview was a lovely coda

Colm Splendid match. Continued resurgence and improvement from Italy, and as usual this year, Ireland responded magnificently to pressure. Really looking forward to Murrayfield next month.


FRONT FIVE ARTICLES

  1. Former Ireland international Tom Tierney, who coached Irish women’s team, dies aged 46 – Independent.ie [Ruairidh O’Connor]
  2. Ireland U20s withstand second-half surge to keep back-to-back Grand Slam ambitions alive (the42.ie) [Daire Walsh]
  3. Ulster stun Sharks with sensational victory in Durban | BelfastTelegraph.co.uk [Jonathan Bradley]
  4. Borthwick praises England’s tactical nous in ‘incredible Test match’ – england | Rugby365 [via AFP]
  5. Scotland suffer first Six Nations defeat in France despite valiant effort after early red cards | The Scotsman [Graham Bean]

6N RD 3 & URC ROUND 6 WRAP

6N WRAP

ROUND 3

ITA 20-34 IRE

WAL 10-20 ENG

FRA 32-21 SCO



ROUND 4

MAR 11

ITA V WAL

ENG V FRA

MAR 12

SCO V IRE


URC WRAP

ROUND 6

SHA 24-31 ULS

LIO 35-24 GLA



ROUND 15

MAR 3

GLA V ZEB

MUN V SCA

MAR 4

STO V SHA

BUL V LIO

EDI V LEI

OSP V BEN

DRA V CON

CAR V ULS


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225 : Harpin Preview Show #ITAvIRE



IRELAND v Italy : 15 Hugo KEENAN 14 Mack HANSEN 13 Garry RINGROSE Bundee AKI 12 Bundee AKI Stuart McCLOSKEY11 James LOWE 10 Ross BYRNE 9 Craig CASEY

1 Andrew PORTER 2 Rónan KELLEHER 3 Finlay BEALHAM 4 Iain HENDERSON 5 James RYAN (c) 6 Caelan DORIS 7 Josh VAN DER FLIER 8 Jack CONAN

16 Dan SHEEHAN 17 Dave KILCOYNE 18 Tom O’TOOLE 19 Ryan BAIRD 20 Peter O’MAHONY 21 Conor MURRAY 22 Jack CROWLEY 23 Stuart McCLOSKEY Jimmy O’BRIEN


Italy : 15 A Capuozzo 14 E Padovani 13 JI Brex 12 T Menoncello 11 P Bruno 10 P Garbisi 9. S Varney

1 D Fischetti 2 G Nicotera 3 S Ferrari 4 N Cannone 5 F Ruzza 6 S Negri 7 M Lamaro (c) 8 L Cannone

16 L Bigi 17 F Zani 18 M Riccioni 19 E Iachizzi 20 G Pettinelli 21 A Fusco 22 L Morisi 23 T Allan


Guinness Six Nations 2023

Round 3

Sat Feb 25  KO 2:15pm

Stadio Olimpico

Live on: RTÉ2, ITV1


Referee: Mike Adamson (SRU)

AR1: Wayne Barnes (RFU)

AR2: Craig Evans (WRU)

TMO: Marius Jonker (SARU)