Yes, there were some sloppy mistakes at times but I think people are underestimating this Pumas team. Their defence was incredible and this is the team that has beaten France, SA and NZ (in NZ) over the past few months.
A higher score would have been great but I’ll take the win, thanks!
Cormac Mannion
Argentina are a fine side. Their physicality is right up there with South Africa at their best. We seemed to be running into brick walls for large parts of the game. However, there is still something not at all right about Ireland. Hansen still looks off the pace, as does Lowe. Crowley needs time to develop and you can see how it’s coming together for him.
Our back row seems to be playing as individuals rather than a unit. Also, far too many sloppy penalties which could point to a lack of focus. We’ve looked off the boil since midway though the 6N.
Jackie McEachern
Too many penalties again – especially when we heard all week that discipline was going to be the focus. But am very happy they hung on to win against a strong side.
Kevin Kelehan
Got over the line against a huge Argentinian pack and very useful backline, Tom Clarkson and Sam Prendergast both came through very well. Jack Crowley was superb for most and a tough nut to get up without play acting after being cynically taken out illegally. The penalty count and line out remain a serious cause for concern, Kelliher is a great scrummager and a demon in the loose but he needs to spend the next month to sort out his darts.
Jamie Bermingham
Glad we got the win but once again the discipline was very poor. Our attack in the 2nd half was practically non existent. Still a lot to work on for the next two games
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Undercooked. A few performances to forget but they have credit in the bank. A lot of fair weather fans throwing out demands and ultimatums. This was our first loss in 19 games at the Aviva, and it was to an All Blacks team with a lot more recent game time than us.
Sean MacDonnchadha
Worrying lack of aggression first and then lack of leadership. They’ve gone on and on about unfinished business from the World Cup and getting revenge. Didn’t see that tonight.
Kevin Kelehan
The best team Ireland has ever produced were more error prone than I’ve seen them in many years. 3 more games to keep the direction of travel in the right direction
James Murphy
Our front men standing back??
Letting them bully use in lineouts and scrums,
Crowley very poor, frawley not much better
But frawley deserves start next week
Poorest Irish performance in a long time
Brian Corr
Too many errors and then too many players losing it or dropping the heads.
Decision making was terrible and lineout was very poor.
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IRELAND : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Mack Hansen 13. Garry Ringrose 12. Bundee Aki 11. James Lowe 10. Jack Crowley 9. Jamison Gibson-Park
1. Andrew Porter 2. Rónan Kelleher 3. Finlay Bealham 4. Joe McCarthy 5. James Ryan 6. Tadhg Beirne 7. Josh van der Flier 8. Caelan Doris (c)
16. Rob Herring 17. Cian Healy 18. Tom O’Toole 19. Iain Henderson 20. Peter O’Mahony 21. Conor Murray 22. Ciaran Frawley 23. Jamie Osborne
New Zealand : 15. Will Jordan 14. Mark Tele’a 13. Rieko Ioane 12. Jordie Barrett 11. Caleb Clarke (vc) 10. Damian McKenzie 9. Cortez Ratima
1. Tamaiti Williams 2. Asafo Aumua 3. Tyrel Lomax 4. Scott Barrett (c) 5. Tupou Vaa’i 6. Wallace Sititi 7. Sam Cane 8. Ardie Savea (vc)
16. George Bell 17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi 18. Pasilio Tosi 19. Patrick Tuipulotu 20. Samipeni Finau 21. Cam Roigard 22. Anton Lienert-Brown 23. Stephen Perofeta
Tom Coleman & Rich Mifsud were my contributors this week and they did their usual sterling work going back over Leinster’s win over the Lions last Saturday.
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With no injury report this week I thought I’d have a crack at selecting an ideal matchday 23 for Leinster if the Champions Cup were now, and all players were fit (bar the long term Dan Sheehan). Damn it ain’t easy!!! But I did want to make a point of leaving both Snyman and Barrett on the bench, not that I’ve anything against either, far from it, rather to highlight just how good the team can look without them. In the centre, our defensive standards have been so good this season I see no reason to throw Jordie Barrett in just yet, and as for RG I feel that when it came down to him or Ryan the South African would be better suited to an impact role. But the fact remains there are host of “toss up” calls all over the park, like Jimmy O’Brien for example although I like the idea of starting Ringer on the wing, but that’s just me.
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To be clear, not all of our Troll Patrol examples are necessarily bad or at least totally mean-spirited, it can often be both trolling and decent banter and this offering from Graham Love falls squarely into that category. I can totally see the benefit in a Scottish observer fanning the flames of the Leinster/Munster when they see the chance! Graham is definitely worth a follow if you’re not doing so already.
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“Although some believe that this rule will promote smoother play, statistics…show that a red card does not systematically mean defeat for the penalised team”
…a case this month…has raised questions over how Richard Boardman recruits players to join the lawsuit brought by his firm, Rylands Garth, against World Rugby
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INJURY UPDATE – AVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
Robbie Henshaw: returned to training last week after a minor injury and will be available for selection this weekend.
INJURY UPDATE – FURTHER ASSESSMENT REQUIRED:
Lee Barron: went off at half-time at the weekend with an ankle injury and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made on his availability.
Ryan Baird: has entered the Graduated Return to Play Protocols and will be assessed as the week progresses.
Jordan Larmour: was not available for selection at the weekend as a precaution and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made.
INJURY UPDATE – NOT AVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
Rónan Kelleher: had a procedure on an ankle injury last week and will be unavailable for between four to six weeks.
Jack Conan: will be unavailable for selection this week after being withdrawn in the first half against Munster with a hamstring injury.
Joe McCarthy: will not be available for selection this week after picking up a hamstring injury in the Benetton Rugby game.
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Last week we actually featured one of our own contributors in this segment because, well, you know, we’re fair like that. It was a Leinster fan trolling ahead of a clash with Munster. Now on the other side of the Croke Park clash, we’re also going to point out someone who has appeared on the pod before, only this time it’s a Munster fan.
Now to be clear, I wasn’t wild about the reports of Munster having difficulties bringing on a sub myself – I didn’t know about them until late Sunday evening, after our pod was recorded. A reaction like this, even if it is tongue in cheek (though that’s not obvious), might be a tad over the line. A real “John Delaney we should be the 33rd team” energy about it.
HOW TO BEAT LEINSTER
Here’s some more content from the URC site, I just thought the sub-editor’s choice of headline was a bit unfair to Pete Wilkins.
Connacht Reveal Formula For Beating Leinster
Connacht Rugby coach Pete Wilkins has been outlining what it will take to inflict the first defeat of the season on league leaders Leinster Rugby.
Wilkins says his team need to be brave, positive and fearless in Saturday night’s “massive” Irish interprovincial derby out in Galway.
Leinster have recorded bonus point victories in their first four BKT URC matches, so the big question is how can they be beaten?
“We have got to fire some shots,” replies Wilkins.
“It can’t be a game we are afraid to lose. It can’t be a mindset where we are trying to contain the opposition. “We have to be really positive and on the front foot in everything we do and that’s attack, defence and set-piece.
“The second part is recognising how important the first quarter of games are for Leinster. They are going after points early in terms of the intensity with which they start games.
“So that first quarter is going to be massive in terms of the foothold we can get in the game and how we can get the crowd engaged and the energy that comes from that.
“You’ve got to start well enough to ensure you are in the fight in the second half.”
Connacht have had mixed results so far, with two wins and two defeats, but they are certainly earning a reputation as an entertaining watch, having scored 17 tries in those opening four games.
“It’s a reputation I am happy for us to have and there are two reasons for that,” said Wilkins.
“One is we need to play a certain way to get enough wins to be competitive at the end of the season.
“With the type of players we have got, we need to be positive and brave in the way we play. I think it’s our best formula for success.
“The second part is it means we are staying true to the ethos of the club in terms of what this place is about. It’s about thriving sometimes in difficult conditions and it’s about firing shots and not daring to dream about what’s possible.
“That might sound a little bit twee, but we are making a conscious effort to try and embody that a little bit more strongly in the way we play.
“It’s making for a good watch at the moment. We are scoring tries and we are getting bonus points we wouldn’t have got last year.
“It’s certainly not dull, but the important thing is to keep striving towards winning.”
Maintaining their attacking strike-rate will be a tough ask against a Leinster side that has conceded just 54 points and eight tries in four league matches.
“It’s a brilliant challenge for us,” said Wilkins.
“There is such a clear identity to their defensive structure and intent, so it’s about being good enough to deal with it.
“It requires calm heads and a lot of accuracy to get either through it or around it.
“Any game against Leinster, you are going to have to score a good chunk of points to get a result.”
While Connacht have racked up 120 points so far – claiming victories over the Hollywoodbets Sharks and Scarlets along the way – they have conceded the same number and leaked 15 tries.
“We certainly need to be conceding less points,” said Wilkins.
“We conceded three maul tries against Ulster last week and I’ve no doubt that’s something Leinster will be looking to go after, which makes it an interesting challenge. We need to be good at both ends.”
In addition to losing 32-27 in Belfast last weekend, Connacht were also beaten 35-33 at Munster in the opening round.
So the question is whether they can make it third time lucky on the interprovincial front?
“We have played two really good Irish teams and the nature of our interpros is they tend to be the toughest going around compared to some of the other nations,” said Wilkins.
“To pick up four points from two interpros is four we wouldn’t have got last year.
“Would we have liked to have won one of them? Yes. Would we have liked to have won both? Absolutely.
“But we are getting better and we are not there yet.”
Connacht haven’t beaten Leinster in Galway since 2017, so a victory this weekend would be all the sweeter.
“The nature of our performance is incredibly important based on the previous Leinster visits, the progress we want to make and the quality of the opposition,” said Wilkins.
“If we can get that performance right, there’s competition points and a result there that’s entirely possible for us.
“Look, there’s a lot to play for. Our performances here at home are a source of incredible importance for this group. So it’s a massive game for lots of reasons.”
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Our latest bonus chat from our wrap pod recording looks at the other three provinces as Leinster “begin their defence of” the Irish Shield…
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Some free content from the URC is always appreciated – I won’t pass everything on that I get but when it’s Leinster I’ll share when I can…
Ireland star Van der Flier doing it by the book
If you want an illustration of the dedication which has made Josh van der Flier a World Rugby Player of the Year, you only have to listen to him talking about his notebooks.
It reveals the kind of meticulous preparation which – along with abundant natural talent – has seen the Leinster Rugby and Ireland flanker become such a star performer.
“It’s something I have started doing in the last few years,” he reveals.
“I have one notebook for when I’m in Irish camp and one for Leinster.
“At the start of the book, that would be my goals for the season, my main work-ons.
“I will have an attack section, a defence section, a fitness section, all different things that I want to improve on. It’s every area of the game, whether it’s breakdown, carrying, passing or tackling.
“Then, if a coach or a player says something I definitely want to make note of, I write that at the back of the book.
“There will be all little bits of pieces I have gathered, feedback you will get from a coach or another player.
“Then, in the middle, I go week to week with a double page for each game and kind of structure it out that way.
“I have everything in that notebook then and, if I run out of space, I take pictures of the important stuff.
“The main stuff at the front and back is kind of important to keep. That’s how I do it anyway.”
Then there’s the mental preparation for the physical battle out on the pitch.
“That’s one thing that is hard about rugby,” said the 31-year-old openside.
“At times, I do get jealous of footballers or golfers or people in other sports.
“If you are going to play a sport like that, you are obviously pumped up and you are ready, but you are not going in having to be fairly violent and physical with people.
“You have to get yourself to a certain mental state for a rugby game. Certainly I do anyway, which takes a lot out of you.
“You have to get to a stage where you are happy to get stuck in and hit people hard and be real physical and also be kind of calm as well.
“That’s one thing that becomes mentally difficult, certainly the longer a season goes on because of how much it takes to get revved up for a game.
“It was 13 months in the end last year from starting pre-season to finishing.
“Physically, I felt great all year. At the end of the season, my body still felt really good. But mentally it’s difficult in a long season.”
With rugby being so demanding and such an all-consuming passion, Van der Flier acknowledges it is important to switch off on occasions.
“I have got a lot better at it since I met my now wife who is good at doing activities or different things,” he said.
“She’s been great for that. Before I met her, there were six of us living in a house together and we were all obsessed with rugby. All we talked about was rugby.
“If it was a day off, we would be outside throwing a rugby ball around, which is great and we absolutely loved it, but I have got a lot better at switching off away from rugby now.
“After we went out of the World Cup last year, it was very difficult because it was still going on. So, rather than doing something relaxing, we went and did as many tourist things as we could every day to be as busy as possible because I felt if I stood still I would just be playing all the games back through in my head, which is the nature any time you lose in a big tournament.
“That was a hard one to switch off from. But then, once the final was over, I was able to switch off a lot better because the World Cup was over for everyone.”
Having had a break following Ireland’s titanic tour of South Africa, the 2022 World Player of the Year is now up and running on another season and ready for next Saturday’s huge BKT URC derby against Munster Rugby at Croke Park.
“I had five weeks off after the summer tour and I think having that break definitely allowed me to freshen up,” he said.
“The body is feeling good, the mind is feeling good, I am feeling really fresh and I am excited to crack into another season.”
That campaign has begun really well for Leinster who have kicked off with three successive bonus point victories in the league as they look to secure their first piece of silverware since 2021.
“It was obviously tough not to pick up any trophies last year because everyone wants to win. It means everything to everyone here,” said Van der Flier.
“But there is definitely a huge amount of excitement for the year ahead.
“We have a great coaching staff, a lot of great players and a lot of depth in our squad, so there’s no reason why we can’t give it another big shot this year. We are in a great position. We are very hungry and excited for the year ahead.”
The man from Wicklow added: “One thing we have certainly learned is how close it is and the narrow margins you can look back on at the end of a campaign.
“If you win, you don’t tend to notice them so much, but you certainly do when you lose. One thing that sticks out for me is we probably played better in the European final against Toulouse than Ireland did in the last Test against South Africa. But a bit of magic from (Ciaran) Frawley and we managed to get the win in that Springboks game while we didn’t win the other and that’s just the nature of rugby, I suppose. It does come down to fine margins.”
So, despite all the ups and downs and the physical and mental toll it takes, does rugby still remain the job he would rather do than any other?
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McKee, Healy, Slimani, Snyman, Conan, McGrath, R Byrne, Ringrose
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INJURY UPDATE – AVAILABLE FOR SELECTION:
RG Snyman: came through the game on Saturday with no issues after his recovery from a foot injury.
Jack Boyle: due to return to training this week after his recovery from a foot injury.
INJURY UPDATE – FURTHER ASSESSMENT REQUIRED:
Jordan Larmour: was not available for selection at the weekend as a precaution and will be further assessed this week before a final decision is made.
Rónan Kelleher: will have assessment this week on an ankle injury after being withdrawn in the first half on Saturday.
Jimmy O’Brien: will have assessment this week on a hamstring injury after being withdrawn in the first half on Saturday.
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This week’s detainee comes directly from our own Harpin’ pod recording, a light hearted choice from our regular contributor Tom Coleman who not only knew his Zoom background would be seen in the week building up to the Croke Park rematch, but also that he was to be harpin’ on Munster for the bonus chat!!! Hey, we’re nothing if not fair with our Troll Patrol, nobody is safe not even our own…
One of the worst performances I’ve seen from South Africa in the first half and one of the worst performances I’ve seen from Ireland in the second. officials tried to screw us again but incredible finish
Dickson made quite a few 50-50 calls that always seemed to go in favour of the home team. From an Irish point of view, it felt almost endless.
But this happens in every game to every away team, so I don’t think it’s any particular conspiracy, it’s just the nature of sport!
Kevin Kelehan
Delighted Frawley got the chance to exorcise the ghost of Tottenham, ugly game but Farrell has built some team, 6 first choice players missing today, 5 of them in the back line and still got it done. Farrell is 80:20 win rate, Boks are 20:80 against the green machine in recent years!!
Sean MacDonnchadha
Very lucky I feel. Springboks only able to force penalties. We should’ve buried them in the first half with the energy, territory and possession we had. All the same, some balls from frawley
Paul Smith
Despite SA cheating and a horrendous performance by Dickinson, Ireland fully deserved the win and I’m absolutely delighted for Frawley who buried the memories of the Champions Cup last minute not once but twice with 2 superb drop goals.
John Willie Conroy
Osborne was unbelievable fair play to Andy Farrell for blooding. Questions need to be asked regarding Frawly not being picked at 10 at Leinster he’s a quality ball player and is head and shoulders above the Byrne brothers.
Brian Corr
So happy, what Irish team in the past could lose their starting scrum half, starting fullback, starting hooker and go to the world champions and get a result. 8 years since they’ve lost in Durban.
Delighted for Frawley to get the chance to make such a huge impact with two fantastic drop goals.
It’s said that tries win matches and that was the difference today
Take a bow Ciaran Frawley. Two outstanding kicks in the clutch. And we deserved it too. Again we were making mistakes, again SA were getting points but we stayed with them AND kept them tryless. What a way to end the season. Very happy out. #RSAvIRE
