292 : Dragons v Leinster wrap

12 November 2023; Dan Sheehan of Leinster on his way to scoring his side’s first try during the United Rugby Championship match between Dragons and Leinster at Rodney Parade in Newport, Wales. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile

🏉  Conway tribute

🏉  Big Joe Mac

🏉  Charlie’s 1st

🏉  15v13 fail

🏉  Death, Taxes, Penny


CONOR CRONIN & JAY LONG


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FULL TIME TAKES

Christy O’Connor

Overall a good result, but why can’t we take advantage when teams are down a man. They were down 2 players and we just made mistake after mistake.

Need to give Zebre a special mention, first win in 18 months

Dave Murray

Poor conditions but 5 points on the road is most welcome. Would’ve liked some more points to boost the points difference but beggers can’t be choosers I guess. Hopefully injuries aren’t too serious, especially for Tommy O’Brien, who can’t seem to catch a break at all.

Micheal Mac An TSagart

Pointless matches playing poor teams, which ultimately does Leinster no good in the long run when they play the top European teams.

Jamie Donohoe

Let’s hope that coward Basham receives a long ban for that disgraceful late elbow on Ross Byrne. Thuggish behaviour

Anne Byrne Spollen

A wins a win condition dreadful congratulations guy’s 🧢🏉

Alastair McDermott

Ugly conditions, job done.

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URC WRAP

ROUND 4

ZEB 12-10 SHA

ULS 21-14 MUN

CAR 12-18 BUL

BEN 20-17 STO

OSP 23-31 GLA

SCA 23-24 LIO

EDI 25-22 CON

DRA 10-33 LEI



ROUND 5

FRI NOV 17

EDI V BUL

ULS V LIO

ZEB V CAR

SAT NOV 18

SHA V CON

DRA V OSP

MUN V STO

GLA V BEN

LEI V SCA



291 : #DRAvLEI preview


Our guest : CIAN O’MUILLEOIR


Leinster : 15. Ciarán Frawley 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Charlie Ngatai 11. Jimmy O’Brien 10. Ross Byrne 9. Ben Murphy

1. Jack Boyle 2. Dan Sheehan (c) 3. Thomas Clarkson 4. Joe McCarthy 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Ryan Baird 7. Will Connors 8. James Culhane

16. Lee Barron 17. Paddy McCarthy 18. Michael Ala’alatoa 19. Max Deegan 20. Scott Penny 21. Cormac Foley 22. Harry Byrne 23. Rob Russell


Dragons : 15 Cai Evans 14 Rio Dyer 13 Steff Hughes (c) 12 Aneurin Owen 11 Jared Rosser 10 Will Reed 9 Rhodri Williams

1 Rhodri Jones 2 Elliot Dee 3 Lloyd Fairbrother 4 Matthew Screech 5 George Nott 6 Dan Lydiate 7 Taine Basham 8 Aaron Wainwright

16 James Benjamin 17 Aki Seiuli 18 Luke Yendle 19 Sean Lonsdale 20 Ryan Woodman 21 Dane Blacker 22 Jack Dixon 23 Ewan Rosser


United Rugby Championship 2023/24 Round 4

Sunday November 12, 2023 KO 1:15pm

Rodney Parade, Newport

TV : RTÉ2, Premier Sports 1, URC.tv 


Referee: Gianluca Gnecchi (FIR)

AR 1: Ian Davies (WRU)

AR 2: Mark Butcher (WRU)

TMO: Stefano Roscini (FIR)

Rugby on TV : Nov 9-13

NOTE : BT SPORTS IS NOW KNOWN AS TNT SPORTS

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 9

7:30PM – NEATH V BRIDGEND – WELSH PREM – S4C ONLINE

11:30PM – PAU V TOULOUSE (REPLAY) – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10

5:30PM – ZEBRE V SHARKS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*

6:30PM – DELTA V ROMANIAN WOLVES – RE SUPER CUP – RUGBYEUROPE.TV

7:35PM – CARDIFF V BULLS – URC – BBC2 WALES, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*

7:35PM – ULSTER V MUNSTER – URC – RTÉ2, BBC2 NI, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

7:35PM – HERIOTS V STIRLING – SUPER 6 – SCOTTISHRUGBY.ORG

7:45PM – GLOUCESTER V BATH – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

10PM – ZEBRE V SHARKS (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 11

2PM – TOULOUSE V PERPIGNAN – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY ONLINE

2:30PM – BRISTOL BEARS V SALE SHARKS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

2:30PM – UCD V YOUNG MUNSTER – MEN’S AIL 1A – BF SPORTS ANALYSIS YOUTUBE

3PM – BENETTON V STORMERS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – USA V BRAZIL – WOMEN’S TEST – RUGBYPASS.TV

3:05PM – LEICESTER TIGERS V HARLEQUINS – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

4PM – LUSITANOS V BLACK LION – RE SUPER CUP – RUGBYEUROPE.TV

4PM – LYON V STADE FRANCAIS – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY ONLINE

5:15PM – OSPREYS V GLASGOW – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*

5:15PM – SCARLETS V LIONS – URC – S4C, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

7PM – SPAIN V CANADA – WOMEN’S TEST – RUGBYPASS.TV

7:35PM – EDINBURGH V CONNACHT – URC – TG4, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, URC.TV*    

8PM – BOHEMIA WARRIORS V BRUSSELS DEVILS – RE SUPER CUP – RUGBYEUROPE.TV

8PM – LA ROCHELLE V BAYONNE – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY ONLINE

11PM – LEICESTER V HARLEQUINS (REPLAY) – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 4

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 12

11:30AM – CASTILLA Y LEON V TEL AVIV HEAT – RE SUPER CUP – RUGBYEUROPE.TV

1:15PM – DRAGONS V LEINSTER – URC – RTÉ1, S4C, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – NORTHAMPTON V EXETER – URC – TNT SPORTS 1, ITV1

3PM – NEWCASTLE V SARACENS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

8PM – TOULON V RACING 92 – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

10:15PM – DRAGONS V LEINSTER (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 13

8PM – AGAINST THE HEAD – RTÉ2

8PM – NORTHAMPTON V EXETER (REPLAY) – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 3

* paid streaming service


80+ column : Nov 7


WRAP OF A WRAP

Another Sunday, another enjoyable wrap pod recording, this time joined by Conor & Kino, this time for the Front 5 I asked them to choose an article/topic themselves, not sure why I never thought of that before, I’ll definitely look to do that more often as the season wears on.

ICYMI, here’s a link to Spotify and we’re also on most major platforms.


HARPIN ON…THE LEINSTER CAPTAINCY

For our bonus clip to follow on from last week’s chat on the candidates for the Leinster 10 jersey after Sexton’s retirement, this time we looked at Leinster’s “leadership group” and how it should look when the Champions Cup rolls around.


COPY-WRONGED

If content creators’ statuses were represented by rugby competitions, Squidge would be the World Cup while Harpin would be Junior 4ths….meh, maybe that’s doing myself down a bit too much, how about we go with Junior 2nds instead 😜.  

All which means I feel bad that I have actually used clips from rugby matches in TikTok videos in recent times – to be clear I never try to even come close to Squidge’s analysis and I certainly don’t put anywhere near as much time into my stuff as he does.  

One thing I can vouch for is that even for a 15 minute video there is a MOUNTAIN of work to be done even with help.  For example the simple two minute clip below took the guts of two hours altogether but definitely in this case it was worth it when it came to speaking out against the copyright enforcement.

As you can see I have included a link below to show the source of the stats on the Gen Z participation.

Again, seriously, CLIMBING????????????

Link for stats on Gen Z participation as cited in video

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THAT’S USING YOUR HEAD

Hat-tip to Harpin contributor Kristian Ross for drawing my attention to this article from the Ulster University site which is all about the science behind the “smart mouthguards” which are being used to gauge head injury impact in rugby.

  “Dr Gregory Tierney, Lecturer in Biomechanics, Ulster University worked in partnership with World Rugby, Rugby Football Union, Premiership Rugby and Premiership Women’s Rugby to complete several studies using the smart mouthguard technology to better understand the level of impact players experience on the head during matches and training situations using g-forces as a measurement technique.”

I am far from a statistician but one thing I do know is that when researching a topic you can never have too much data, once it’s relevant and it really does sound like this is a near perfect way to gather data on the impact of head collisions in rugby.  And another thing we find is that proper research rarely backs up our prejudices 100%.

Usually those pushing back against attempts to make the game safer are mostly motivated by a fear that the game will be “ruined” by sending off and long TMO delays.  Personally I’d rather let the boffins do their thing and be open minded to seeing the results in the hope that the right alterations can be made.

The article offers some results from a paper published in 2021 after two years of extensive research…

“The ORCHID paper shows that in the men’s community game:

  • 86 percent of forces measured are the same as or less than those experienced in other forms of exercise such as running, jumping or skipping
  • 94 percent of forces are lower than those previously measured on people riding a rollercoaster
  • The large majority of events resulting in the highest measured forces are as a result of poor technique in the tackle and at the breakdown
  • Most contact events in elite rugby do not result in any significant force to the head.”

The poor tackle technique is the most significant part for me, and that leads me to believe that using sanctions to help promote proper technique is at very least one of the measures that we should pursue, whether some fans are annoyed by waiting a bit longer for TMO replays or not.


FEELING THE HEAT

Negative comments obviously come with the territory when you’re producing regular content and normally I brush them off but I have to admit I was annoyed by one I got after last week’s bonus pod which featured an interview with Francisco Isaac.

The plan was to talk to him about Portugal’s success at RWC2023, the proposed World League and finally the Rugby Europe Super Cup which kicked off last weekend.

Unfortunately one follower was of the opinion that since the Super Cup involves a team from Israel, then that means we should have discussed the current horrible events in that part of the world, with the implication that if we didn’t then I obviously don’t care about it.

Just to be clear…I do have strong feelings about that situation but you can be 100% guaranteed that I will not share them here or anywhere else in the Harpin social media space.  Meanwhile, it has been a policy here to follow the RE Super Cup as we believe it is an invaluable mechanism for at least starting to bring up Europe’s tier 2 nations (Francisco even says as much on the pod).

To that end we will continue to cover the tournament, including adding them to our “update” section below as it unfolds over the coming weeks.

Click here to listen to the pod in question ICYMI, plus there’s a YouTube video with an extended version of the World League discussion as well.


THROWING THE BOOK BY WAYNE BARNES

I’ve always had respect for Wayne Barnes – I know a lot of people had issues with his refereeing, and so did I, but IMO we have to know where to draw the line and whatever we might think about the actual decisions, that is not all that maketh the ref and his overall comportment throughout his career has been commendable for sure and he was a more than worthy appointee for the 2023 final.

Pretty sure I’m not the only one who wishes him all the best with his future endeavours, including his new book…


LARNER THE TEACHER

A major rugby bugbear of mine is intellectual snobbery, as in when some look down on others who don’t understand the Laws as well as they do.  The way I see it if someone is looking for info we should give it.  It’s a goddam complex sport that needs all the clued-in fans it can get. 

Unless of course when I’m having a few pints in a crowded pub watching a match and people cop on that I know what’s going on and thus bombard me with questions for the remainder, they of course can FRO….but it doesn’t always go exactly the way the Grand Slam match back in March did…😁

Seriously though, social media should be an ideal way to help those who might not know certain terms yet are afraid to ask, and it’s always good to have tweets like this one from Sam Lerner to see people right…


URC IRISH SHIELD UPDATE

As one tournament, namely the WXV, drops out of our expanded Update Section, it gets replaced by two more, and first we are going to keep a close eye on the race for the Irish Shield.  Some may joke about it but starting this season it is to be awarded to the winner of a points table featuring ONLY the matches between the Irish provinces throughout the season, a really good idea IMO which needs support by regular coverage.  Obviously Connacht’s victory over Ulster in the season’s first interpro has them top of the shield standings as well as the entire URC, we’ll see how things look after Munster visit the Kingspan on Friday.

Match 1

CONNACHT 22-20 ULSTER


  1. CONNACHT P 1 PTS 4
  2. ULSTER P 1 PTS 1
  3. LEINSTER P 0 PTS 0
  4. MUNSTER P 0 PTS 0

Match 2

FRI NOV 10

ULSTER V MUNSTER


🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE

Leinster’s first Champions Cup opponents are exactly the same as our last ones, but things haven’t been going too well for La Rochelle since that day in the Aviva, or at least since Ntamack broke their hearts in their quest for a first Brennus in July.  They have now lost 4 out of 5 this season and are now flirting with the relegation zone, but as Kino pointed out on our pod, they will be getting the bulk of their internationals back well in time for our visit in December so will likely be a much different prospect then.

In January we host Stade Francais and they continue to do well as their 39-16 win over Castres kept them in a three-way tie at the top with Pau and Stu Lancaster’s Racing.

Toulon v Racing on Sunday evening seems to be the pick of the Round 6 matches and hopefully Dan Biggar’s back spasm isn’t too serious, that really, really looked nasty.


Round 5

OYONNAX 19-17 LA ROCHELLE

PERPIGNAN 26-22 TOULON

BORDEAUX 26-13 MONTPELLIER

CLÉRMONT 46-14 BAYONNE

STADE FRANCAIS 39-16 CASTRES

RACING 92 22-20 LYON

PAU 13-9 TOULOUSE



Round 6

SAT NOV 11

TOULOUSE V PERPIGNAN

CASTRES V OYONNAX

LYON V STADE FRANCAIS

MONTPELLIER V CLÉRMONT

PAU V BORDEAUX

LA ROCHELLE V BAYONNE

TOULON V RACING 92


PREMIERSHIP UPDATE

Sale Sharks come to the RDS in December and their decent start to their Premiership campaign continued with a handy win over Glaws leaving them in 3rd place behind Exeter and Quins.  Meanwhile Leicester Tigers, our fourth opponents, continue to struggle as they could not overcome Sarries.  They could get things back on track in round 5 with a win over Quins but the standout tie of the round has to be the West Country derby at Kingsholm.


ROUND 4

SALE SHARKS 24-10 GLOUCESTER

HARLEQUINS 40-12 NEWCASTLE

NORTHAMPTON 24-18 BATH

SARACENS 32-17 LEICESTER TIGERS

EXETER CHIEFS 29-20 BRISTOL



ROUND 5

FRI NOV 10

GLOUCESTER V BATH

SAT NOV 11

BRISTOL V SALE SHARKS

LEICESTER V HARLEQUINS

SUN NOV 12

NEWCASTLE V SARACENS

NORTHAMPTON V EXETER


AIL UPDATE 

Here’s a transcript of my piece for Front 5 on last Sunday’s wrap pod…

Every week on our 80+ column at harpinonrugby.com we round up the state of play in the Energia AIL but for once I thought I’d do it here on the main pod because, well, I keep harpin on how poor the overall coverage is of the next level down from provincial rugby so I should really practise what I preach.

I’ll start with the Women’s AIL which this season may not have added to its 9 clubs but at least it HAS gone to a full home and away calendar with Round 6 taking place at the weekend.  And even though we’re only a third of the way through the schedule it’s pretty clear which teams are favoured to make the top 4 and with Rock, Belvo, Railway Union and leaders UL Bohs all avoiding each other in this round, meaning there wasn’t much change at the top with the only unpredicted outcome being Wicklow’s waterlogged pitch preventing them from hosting Railway, who themselves play Belvo next weekend in what is easily the match of Round 7.

Meanwhile on the men’s side of things, league leaders Lansdowne saw their perfect start to the season come to an end when they fell to Cork Con although the away losing bonus point wasn’t the worst result.  This left Clontarf as the only unbeaten side in the top division after they overcame their own tough southern assignment and held off a strong fightback by Young Munster to win 44-39. 

Back to the subject of media coverage, it’s still poor overall outside the individual club social media accounts, in fact some weeks it’s been difficult to find decent reporting on even the top AIL divisions as late as Tuesday morning, but there are definite exceptions to this rule, starting of course with the weekly Club Scene Podcast and also there is live streaming from the likes of the BF Sports Analysis YouTube channel where I watched reigning champions Terenure overcome UCD on Saturday afternoon – I’ll put a link in the programme notes.  Unfortunately I couldn’t watch it live as it clashed with Leinster’s match at the RDS but it’s always available to replay and as ever is a great way of keeping tabs on those on the fringes of the Leinster squad like Chris Cosgrave and Conor O’Tighearnaigh.

So we’ll continue to keep tabs on the AIL throughout the season and for your own part please do what you can to get out and support your local club in any way you can.

#SupportYourLocalClub

WOMEN’S AIL

Round 6

SAT NOV 4

BALLINCOLLIG 5-69 UL BOHS

BELVO 48-7 COOKE

SUTTONIANS 12-33 ROCK

WICKLOW [UNPLAYABLE PITCH] RAILWAY UNION



Round 7

SAT NOV 11

ROCK V BALLINCOLLIG

COOKE V WICKLOW

GALWEGIANS V SUTTONIANS

RAILWAY UNION V BELVO

MEN’S AIL

SAT NOV 4

BALLYNAHINCH 31-5 SHANNON

CITY OF ARMAGH 25-23 DUBLIN UNIV

CORK CON 23-17 LANSDOWNE

UCD 28-45 TERENURE

YOUNG MUNSTER 39-44 CLONTARF



ROUND 5

SAT NOV 11

CLONTARF V CITY OF ARMAGH

DUBLIN UNIV V BALLYNAHINCH

SHANNON V CORK CON

TERENURE V LANSDOWNE

UCD V YOUNG MUNSTER


RE SUPER CUP UPDATE

As discussed on the bonus pod linked earlier, the RE Super Cup has a slightly different format this season.  The World Cup has shrunk it to a three-match pool phase and what’s more, the two pools are weighted with the four best in A with the next 4 in Pool B – the top three from A and the winner of B make the semifinals.

There is also a new nation joining the competition, with Bohemia Warriors from Czechia getting a baptism of fire courtesy of the Romanian Wolves in Round 1, while reigning champions Black Lion, who also take part in this seasons Challenge Cup don’t forget, started off with a comfortable enough win over Castilla.  Pick of Round 2 has to be their trip to Portugal to face Lusitanos in a repeat of last year’s final.

ROUND 1

ROMANIAN WOLVES 76-7 BOHEMIA WARRIORS

BRUSSELS DEVILS 41-12 DELTA

LUSITANOS 23-31 TEL-AVIV HEAT

BLACK LION 39-19 CASTILLA



ROUND 2

FRI NOV 12

DELTA V ROMANIAN WOLVES

SAT NOV 11

BOHEMIA WARRIORS V BRUSSELS DEVILS

LUSITANOS V BLACK LION

SUN NOV 12

CASTILLA V TEL-AVIV HEAT


HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE

I’m still happy enough to be lurking in the bronze medal position after 3 rounds but Kristian and Conor are starting to open up a gap at the top.  Meanwhile Keego, who to be fair was in New York last week so possibly wasn’t thinking too much about the URC, has dropped back down to the dreaded Jersey of Shame position.


AFTER RD 3PTS
1KRISTIAN33.50
2CONOR33.00
3JEFF28.50
4KINO26.00
5JAY24.00
6TOM22.50
7MARK19.50
8KEEGO17.00

NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’

Right, that’s it for another week’s 80+ column thanks for checking in.  Next up there’s the Dragons, we’ll have the preview on Friday and even though we don’t play until Sunday afternoon, we’re still planning to record the wrap pod that evening at 8 o’clock, with all the other usual features all over our various social media channels as well.

As ever, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are.  JLP

290 : Leinster v Edinburgh wrap

4 November 2023; Charlie Shiel of Edinburgh kicks clear during the United Rugby Championship match between Leinster and Edinburgh at the RDS Arena in Dublin. Photo by Harry Murphy/Sportsfile

🏉  Best Shield in the Best League?

🏉  AIL roundup

🏉  Defences on top

🏉  Harry’s pivotal moments

🏉  Too many SFPs


CONOR CRONIN & CIAN O’MUILLEOIR

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FULL TIME TAKES

Gavin Hegarty

Tommy O’Brien is a class act! Always hungry. Culhane great also.

Harry Byrne is again failing to live up to the hype unfortunately and will most likely be overtaken by prendergast soon enough.

Where has Tector gone?

(reply to Gavin) Peter Tracey

he’s still training away Gav. Just Prendergast has moved ahead of him. Deegan doing a Ruddock and all the dirty work that’s not seen.

Need to develop a 9 for me with McGrath injured and only JGP for big games. Foley did well last season but trying too hard this season so far with his kicking game. Just do the basics. Murphy had a good passing game when he came on. Best to do it now in these games and at least they’re getting experience. Boyle did well. Another area we need to develop.

Odran John O’Brien

Great outing again for Jack Boyle he’s getting better every game

Christy O’Connor

The game was riddled with mistakes from both sides. Very sloppy passing at times, we gave away some very cheap tries. In the end it was a good win. Barron was motm for me.

Richard Kennedy

Very happy with that. Bonus secured by 51 mins against a team stacked full of Scottish internationals. A young team getting quality game time.


Alan Murphy

I seemed to have watched a different game to most posts – we sit on the 22. Our line-out was a shambles, we gave away 3 scrum penalties and handling was really poor. Lots of weak shoulders for Edinburgh’s tries. Great win but really poor game.


URC WRAP

ROUND 3

GLA 20-9 STO

OSP 19-5 SHA

ZEB 29-54 BUL

LEI 36-27 EDI

SCA 31-25 CAR

MUN 45-14 DRA

CON 22-20 ULS

BEN 15-10 LIO



ROUND 4

FRI NOV 10

ZEB V SHA

ULS V MUN

SAT NOV 11

CAR V BUL

BEN V STO

OSP V GLA

SCA V LIO

EDI V CON

SUN NOV 12

DRA V LEI



289 : #LEIvEDI preview

also available as podcast

Our guest : TOM COLEMAN


Leinster : 15. Ciarán Frawley 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Charlie Ngatai 11. Jordan Larmour 10. Harry Byrne 9. Cormac Foley

1. Jack Boyle 2. Lee Barron 3. Michael Ala’alatoa 4. Ross Molony 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Max Deegan 7. Scott Penny > CAPTAIN 8. James Culhane

16. Dylan Donnellan 17. Paddy McCarthy 18. Rory McGuire 19. Brian Deeny 20. Rhys Ruddock 21. Ben Murphy 22. Sam Prendergast 23. Rob Russell 


Edinburgh : 15. Blair Kinghorn 14. Wes Goosen 13. Mark Bennett 12. Matt Currie 11. Duhan van der Merwe 10. Ben Healy 9. Charlie Shiel

1. Pierre Schoeman 2. Dave Cherry 3. WP Nel 4. Glen Young 5. Grant Gilchrist (c) 6. Tom Dodd 7. Hamish Watson 8. Luke Crosbie

16. Ewan Ashman 17. Boan Venter 18. Javan Sebastian 19. Marshall Sykes 20. Connor Boyle 21. Hector Patterson 22. James Lang 23. Chris Dean


United Rugby Championship 2023/24 Round 3

Saturday November 4, 2023 KO 3:05pm

RDS Arena

TV : RTÉ2, Premier Sports 1, URC.tv 


Ref: Marius van der Westhuizen (SARU)

AR 1:  Keane Davison (IRFU)  

AR 2: Jonathan Erskine (IRFU)

TMO: Sean Brickell (WRU)

288 : Portugal, Nations League & RE Super Cup with Francisco Isaac

this is the full version of our Nations Cup discussion

Our bonus midweek pods are back and here we welcome friend of the pod Francisco Isaac and myself & regular Harpin contributor Rich Mifsud talk to him about Portugal’s success at RWC2023, the Nations Cup as proposed by World Rugby, and the 2023 RE Super Cup which kicks off this weekend.


80+ column : Oct 31


WRAP OF A WRAP

Leinster Rugby is back at the RDS and all’s right with the world…well apart from having to swim back to my car afterwards to make it home in time for the RWC final, it was great to get the home season underway, naturally the result helped with this as well.  Mark Jackson & Ciarán Duffy joined me on the pod Sunday evening to offer their top insights.

ICYMI, here’s a link to Spotify and we’re also on most major platforms.


HARPIN ON…LEINSTER’S 10 JERSEY POST-SEXTON

For the bonus clip this week Mark & Ciarán helped me look at Leinster’s options to start the post-Sexton era for the Leinster 10 jersey.


PURE V PUKE?  NEITHER. JUST RUGBY.

Kids are off school this week so little or no time to organise a TikTok rant (for a clip no longer than two minutes there’s a ton of work involved, though I do enjoy them and hope to get back to it after the midterm) but what I would have harped on was the way the sport of rugby was presented to the world over the past couple of months in the French festival.

You’re reading a blog about rugby and I’m writing one so it’s pretty clear we’re both massive fans who would not only watch every moment of most other tournaments as well on top of the 24/7 online content, but we all know that World Cups more than any other event are key for promoting the sport outside its bubble, aiming to convince non- and casual- fans to pay a lot more attention over the next four years.

I guess before analysing how RWC2023 did in this regard, we first must look at what we’re up against when it comes to people who are naturally inclined to be negative.  Well first there’s a particular brand of Irish sports fan who for some reason feel it’s not enough to see competition within a particular code, but they also want to compare different codes with each other and thus only watch rugby so they can find the flaws to show how much better their sport is.  Obviously we have those types in rugby as well (“rugby values”/“wouldn’t happen in our sport”) but my point is that no matter what you do you’ll never get that lot so it’s not worth even trying.

Next we have to rule out those who expect to be entertained to the fullest in every single sporting encounter.  In rugby I guess that means that to these people the only type of game worth watching is one where there’s “free-flowing rugby” with tries raining in from end to end with a series of fancy offloads and miss-passes.  Those people are never going to be happy, because they clearly forget that there are defensive coaches doing their level best to stop that happening.

I mean is it too much to expect people to appreciate that there’s plenty to entertain us even without that so-called “purist” style.  Take the World Cup final itself.  I’ve seen several articles from journalists from within and outside rugby trying to take the shine off of the Springboks’ historic victory by banging on about their approach.  This is of course all clickbait garbage – whether you win a match by 1 point or 100, you still win and getting finicky about the style of play says more about the commenter than it does the subject matter.

But even if you weren’t fully clued in on the Laws of the game (and I give a TON of leeway to viewers for this because let’s face it, while it’s no cricket, there’s still a hell of a lot of jargon and conventions to get the hang of) if you couldn’t at least appreciate all the excitement before the match like the rivalry between two great rugby nations, all the passion and anticipation surrounding the anthems, the performance and reaction to the cultural challenge, during the match with the dozens of pivotal moments from the first minute to the last, and eventually after it the contrasting celebrations and disappointment of the two squads, then I reckon you should probably be looking for entertainment elsewhere.

And over the course of the eight weeks there actually was a lot of rugby that could be described as “worldie”, with several so-called YouTube moments with free flowing play and there were even some upsets; just Portugal’s pool stage adventure would make a decent feature film all on its own.  

Overall I think there’s only so much a sport can do to make itself more appealing to the masses, at least when it comes to the brick and mortar of the Laws themselves.  What you could do to help stimulate interest is try and spread it around the globe and encourage more nations to play to a higher standard, but that has me straying near a Nations League debate that is worthy of a rant all on its own. 

I mean it’s not just rugby that tries to change, GAA makes rule changes every season, cricket gets so much shorter that eventually a match is going to be just one ball being bowled, and even soccer is tinkering with the format of its top competitions with both its World Cup and Champions League set to change.

For me anyway, the game is pretty much fine the way it is, maybe a few law tweaks here and there wouldn’t hurt but to be honest I’d much rather they focused on ways to make the game safer without altering the overall feel and flow we all tune in for.

The likes of Off The Ball and Pat Spillane can go do one.


PRE MATCH VIKING CLAP 

Speaking of changes, I mentioned on the pod that Mike McCarthy came down to the pitch to get the Leinster fans revved up ahead of kickoff by encouraging them to do a Viking Clap, though I didn’t mention what I thought of it.  

I can imagine a lot of people of my generation not being too happy with it but for my part, I’m all for it.  I have said many times over the years harpin’ on these pages that the atmosphere at the RDS hasn’t always been what it could be.  The lack of a proper chant/song has certainly contributed to that…”Allez les blues” is too French, “molly Malone” too Dublin centric, “Come on you boys in Blue” too generic, and as for the run of the mill “Lehhhhhhn-ster, Lehhhhhhn-ster”, well that’s fine once and a while but it’s hardly the go to option for every situation.  And anyone remember “Leinster’s glory”?  No?  Exactly.

Now just to be clear I’m having a go more at the crowd rather than the organisers, they do a lot to create an atmosphere with the pre-match music and of course Leo the Lion but I thought Mike’s more direct challenge to the crowd was a much better way of getting them fully match ready and assuming it’s to become a regular thing, the “scenes” should get even more “absolute” down the line.


PLAYER OF THE MATCH

It happens quite a lot that I disagree with the decision for Player of the Match, and when it’s for Leinster or Ireland it’s a bit awkward making that disagreement known because it’s a bit like having to choose your favourite kid, but since I have this 80+ column I suppose that gives me a chance to express that opinion.

But I hope it doesn’t give the impression that I have anything against the person who got the award, and in Saturday’s case it was Max Deegan.  He did have a great match overall, and I know it was the occasion of his 100th cap, but for me the standards are such at the province that when he drops a ball from the base on an attacking 5m scrum (again, very unlike him, and if it were me I’d drop it every time) we might look elsewhere this time and for me Tommy O’Brien was a much more worthy recipient.

One last time, to be perfectly clear, I am NOT having a go at him, nor at James Downey who made the call.  Just saying I saw it differently that’s all.


THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOKS

Congrats to all those honoured in World Rugby’s awards list, especially Andy Farrell who thoroughly deserved it.

And while I certainly wouldn’t hold a view like this from All Black fan and clearly sour grape-connosseiur Ben Smith about the Springboks’ success, I for one wasn’t that surprised that their players didn’t feature too heavily in the team of the tournament.

I could probably see Malherbe ahead of Furlong if I had to make one change but overall the selections seem sound to me.

Maybe, just maybe, RSA representation on the TOTY is low because other nations had better individuals while the Boks had the best team, hence three 1pt wins and the 🏆.



KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES

I have dedicated a column segment to mention the Eddie Jones news but I don’t see any point going too deep in the weeds on the topic because pretty much everything has been said about him.  Literally none of the negative stories and opinions about him surprise me.  Actually it’s just boring at this stage.  He may have even climbed to my “least favourite Jones” chart ahead of journo Stephen, but even that’s just one article away from changing back.


B&I SUPER LEAGUE?

Once again this topic has crept into the headlines so once again I am forced to state my position.

I am 100% opposed to the suggestion of creating a “British & Irish Super League”.

However, I would be ok with the possibility of Premiership clubs JOINING the United Rugby Championship, once each one can prove financial viability throughout a campaign before preseason starts.

The URC has been through enough branding upheaval over the years and has finally found a form which may not suit everyone at the moment, but surely even the Welsh fans might come on board if they got some regular fixtures with the English.

But to create an entirely new identity just because the Premiership has been proven to be a failed business model just wouldn’t cut it for me.


W.XV UPDATE

I covered Ireland’s latest WXV match on the pod, here’s the transcript…

This is the story of an international rugby finale that could have gone either way right up to the final whistle but as you can probably tell I’m not talking about Saturday night’s battle in Paris.

After two extremely comfortable victories against Kazakhstan and Colombia, the Irish women had a much more formidable opponent in Las Leonas from Spain in their 3rd WXV3 encounter, and although Scott Bemand’s side enjoyed pretty much all the early territory and possession, we had to contend with an early spell with inspirational co-captain Edel McMahon in the sin bin plus an extremely stubborn Spanish defence which was not only difficult to break down but also was able to punish mistakes as outside-centre Claudia Peña Hidalgo pounced on a loose pass to put her side 7-0 up after just ten minutes.   

Spain stretched their lead to 10 until a Dannah O’Brien penalty got Ireland on the board, but it was our own defence which needed to be strong before the break and although we managed to stop them from scoring after a prolonged visit to our 22, we did cough up another yellow card this time for Linda Djougang and the resulting penalty saw us go into the break both short handed and behind by 13 points to 3.

We still came out strongly for the 2nd half however, comfortably seeing out the sin bin period without Spain entering our 22 and we gradually wore down their resistance until a succession of penalties marched us into their 22 where a strong maul allowed Grace Moore to fall over the line and Dannah O’Brien added the extras to bring us within three.

Our dominance continued and although we only needed a draw to finish top of the pool, it was a brave decision to ignore the three points on offer from a kickable penalty, and we backed up that confidence with another series of mauls making the Spanish defence crack and this time it was Neve Jones getting the ball down to nudge Ireland in front for the first time.

But the match still had to be seen out and to their credit the Spaniards kept at it right to the 80th minute and beyond until a brilliant lineout steal from Eimear Corri saw us put the ball dead and secure the title and puts them in a good position to go up to the second tier for next season.

I talk a lot on the pod about the problems in Irish womens rugby but this is a time for celebration for a job well done in searing heat over three weeks in Dubai and hopefully the squad can bring these performances through to 2024.  One thing I will say however is that the Spanish performance provided further evidence that the women shouldn’t follow the men’s Six Nations model and instead expand to include themselves and possibly more teams down the line.

As ever if you want to keep tabs on the women’s game I find the best sources are Scrumqueens.com and on Twitter or X follow accounts like @IrishWomens.


Round 3

KAZAKHSTAN 0-118 FIJI

KENYA 21-5 COLOMBIA

IRELAND 15-13 SPAIN



🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE

Not a great round for Leinster’s Champions Cup opposition, with our good friends La Rochelle falling at home to Castres making it three defeats out of four to start the season, while Stade Francais got knocked off top spot when they could only muster 3 points in Bayonne.  Pau lead the way with Joe Simmonds helping to lead them to a hefty win at Perpignan, while also on 14 points at the top are Castres and Stu Lancaster’s Racing, soon to have a certain RWC winning captain join their ranks.

Leaders Pau v champions Toulouse would appear to be the pick of the Round 5 matchups, perfect for the marquee Sunday night slot.


Round 4

SUN OCT 29

BAYONNE 16-3 STADE FRANCAIS

PERPIGNAN 24-39 PAU

LYON 41-22 CLÉRMONT

MONTPELLIER 16-19 RACING 92

TOULON 41-7 OYONNAX

LA ROCHELLE 24-27 CASTRES

TOULOUSE 29-22 BORDEAUX


Round 5

SAT NOV 4

OYONNAX V LA ROCHELLE

PERPIGNAN V TOULON

BORDEAUX V MONTPELLIER

CLÉRMONT V BAYONNE

STADE FRANCAIS V CASTRES

RACING 92 V LYON

SUN NOV 5

PAU V TOULOUSE


PREMIERSHIP UPDATE

A late Shillcock penalty gave Leicester a one-point win at the Rec although Bath still stay top since none of the 10 teams managed to win all of their opening 3 matches.  Saracens finally put one in the win column while Sale Sharks got their fins handed to them by Exeter.

Saracens/Tigers would seem to be the pick of the ties from Round 4, with Leinster set to travel to play both of them in January (Sarries being a friendly).

ROUND 3

GLOUCESTER 3-24 SARACENS

BRISTOL 21-23 HARLEQUINS

EXETER CHIEFS 43-0 SALE SHARKS

BATH 24-25 LEICESTER

NEWCASTLE 14-16 NORTHAMPTON



ROUND 4

FRI NOV 3

SALE SHARKS V GLOUCESTER

SAT NOV 4

HARLEQUINS V NEWCASTLE

NORTHAMPTON V BATH

SARACENS V LEICESTER TIGERS

EXETER CHIEFS V BRISTOL


AIL UPDATE 

Both genders AIL return to action after a weekend off, with the top four, all of whom seem destined to reach the semifinals at this stage, avoiding each other so I doubt there will be any real change to the table come next week.

Meanwhile in the men’s Div1A, Lansdowne will be hoping to keep their maximum points record going but certainly won’t have it easy away to Cork Con, who are fresh from toppline the reigning champions in round 3.  As for Nure themselves, they’ll surely be looking to come away from Belfield Bowl with some points to get them away from just above the relegation places.

#SupportYourLocalClub

WOMEN’S AIL


Round 6

SAT NOV 4

BALLINCOLLIG V UL BOHS

BELVO V COOKE

SUTTONIANS V ROCK

WICKLOW V RAILWAY UNION


MEN’S AIL


ROUND 4

SAT NOV 4

BALLYNAHINCH V SHANNON

CITY OF ARMAGH V DUBLIN UNIV

CORK CON V LANSDOWNE

UCD V TERENURE

YOUNG MUNSTER V CLONTARF


HARPIN PREDICTION LEAGUE

Happy enough to remain in 3rd place after 2 rounds although there was a change at the top as Kristian got this week’s yellow cap to leapfrog Conor.  Meanwhile in the dreaded Jersey of Shame position down the bottom Tom dragged himself away leaving this week’s pod guest Mark to fall even below Keego.

Early days of course.

AFTER RD 2PTS
1KRISTIAN23.00
2CONOR21.00
3JEFF19.50
4KINO17.00
5JAY15.00
6TOM14.00
7KEEGO13.00
8MARK11.00

NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’

A bonus pod for during the week, I’ll be chatting to Francisco Issac about Portugal, the proposed World League and also the RE Super Cup which kicks off next weekend.  Then it’s full attention on the visit of Edinburgh to the RDS on Saturday with a preview before and a wrap pod on Sunday evening so stay tuned for all of that.

As ever, be sure to enjoy your Halloween rugby wherever you are.  JLP

286 : #LEIvSHA preview

our guest : NEIL ‘KEEGO’ KEEGAN


Leinster : 15. Ciarán Frawley 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Charlie Ngatai 11. Jordan Larmour 10. Harry Byrne 9. Cormac Foley

1. Jack Boyle 2. Lee Barron 3. Michael Ala’alatoa 4. Ross Molony 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Rhys Ruddock 7. Scott Penny > CAPTAIN 8. Max Deegan

16. Dylan Donnellan 17. Paddy McCarthy 18. Rory McGuire 19. Brian Deeny 20. Will Connors 21. Ben Murphy 22. Sam Prendergast 23. Rob Russell


Sharks : 15. Aphelele Fassi 14. Werner Kok 13. Francois Venter (c) 12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg 11. Marnus Potgieter 10. Curwin Bosch 9. Cameron Wright

1. Ntuthuko Mchunu 2. Kerron van Vuuren 3. Hanro Jacobs 4. Corne Rahl 5. Emile van Heerden 6. James Venter 7. Vincent Tshituka 8. Phepsi Buthelezi

16. Dylan Richardson 17. Dian Bleuler 18. Khwezi Mona 19. Hyron Andrews 20. George Cronje 21. Francois Hougaard 22. Boeta Chamberlain 23. Aphiwe Dyantyi


United Rugby Championship 2023/24 Round 2

Saturday October 28 KO 4:55pm

RDS Arena

TV : RTÉ2, Premier Sports 1, URC.tv 


Referee: Federico Vedovelli

AR 1: Joy Neville

AR 2: Paul Haycock

TMO: Stefano Roscini

Rugby on TV : Oct 26-30

NOTE : BT SPORTS IS NOW KNOWN AS TNT SPORTS

THURSDAY, OCTOBER 26

8PM – GLASGOW V LEINSTER (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

10:30PM – CONNACHT V OSPREYS (REPLAY) – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

FRIDAY, OCTOBER 27

7AM – ENGLAND V CANADA – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – SCOTLAND V JAPAN – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

2PM – KAZAKHSTAN V FIJI – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

3:30PM – SOUTH AFRICA V SAMOA – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

4:30PM – KENYA V COLOMBIA – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV

8PM – ARGENTINA V ENGLAND – RWC2023 – VIRGIN MEDIA ONE

10PM – MUNSTER V SHARKS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 28

4AM – NEW ZEALAND V WALES – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

7AM – FRANCE V AUSTRALIA – W.XV1 – RUGBYPASS.TV

1PM – OSPREYS V ZEBRE – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

2PM – IRELAND V SPAIN – W.XV3 – RUGBYPASS.TV (direct link to match)

2:30PM – BRISTOL BEARS V HARLEQUINS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

3PM – CONNACHT V GLASGOW WARRIORS – URC – TG4, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – STORMERS V SCARLETS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2, S4C, URC.TV*

3PM – EXETER V SALE SHARKS – PREMIERSHIP – PR.TV*

3:05PM – BATH V LEICESTER TIGERS – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

4PM – USA V ITALY – W.XV2 – RUGBYPASS.TV

4:55PM – LEINSTER V SHARKS – URC – RTÉ2, VIAPLAY/PREMIER XTRA, URC.TV*

5PM – EDINBURGH V LIONS – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

8PM – NEW ZEALAND V SOUTH AFRICA – RWC2023 – RTÉ2, ITV1, S4C

10:45PM – BATH V LEICESTER TIGERS (REPLAY) – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29

2PM – BENETTON V MUNSTER – URC – RTÉ2, VIAPLAY/PREMIER EXTRA, URC.TV*

2:30PM – DRAGONS V CARDIFF – URC – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

3PM – NEWCASTLE V NORTHAMPTON – PREMIERSHIP – TNT SPORTS 1

3PM – MONTPELLIER V RACING 92 – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER ONLINE

5PM – ULSTER V BULLS – TG4, BBC2 NI, VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1, URC.TV*

5:05PM – LA ROCHELLE V CASTRES – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER ONLINE

8PM – TOULOUSE V BORDEAUX – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

10PM – BAYONNE V STADE FRANCAIS (TAPE DELAY) – 🔝🐱🐴 – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 2

MONDAY, OCTOBER 30

8PM – AGAINST THE HEAD – RTÉ2

11PM – 🔝🐱🐴 HIGHLIGHTS – VIAPLAY/PREMIER 1

* paid streaming service