IRELAND : 15 H Keenan 14 M Hansen 13 G Ringrose 12 B Aki 11 James Lowe 10 J Sexton (c) 9 J Gibson-Park
1 A Porter 2 R Kelleher 3 T Furlong 4 T Beirne 5 J Ryan 6 P O’Mahony 7 J van der Flier 8 C Doris
16 D Sheehan 17 D Kilcoyne 18 F Bealham 19 I Henderson 20 R Baird 21 C Murray 22 J Crowley 23 R Henshaw
SOUTH AFRICA : 15 Damian Willemse 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse 13 Jesse Kriel 12 Damian de Allende 11 Cheslin Kolbe 10 Manie Libbok 9 Faf de Klerk
1 Steven Kitshoff 2 Mbongeni Mbonambi 3 Frans Malherbe 4 Eben Etzebeth 5 Franco Mostert 6 Siya Kolisi (c) 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit 8 Jasper Wiese
16 Deon Fourie 17 Ox Nche 18 Trevor Nyakane 19 Jean Kleyn 20 RG Snyman 21 Marco van Staden 22 Kwagga Smith 23 Cobus Reinach
Rugby World Cup 2023 Pool B
Saturday September 23 KO 8pm (Irish time)
Stade de France
TV : RTÉ2
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (NZR)
AR1: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
AR2: James Doleman (NZR)
TMO: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)
Also Leinster v Ulster, Fri Sep 22 6:30pm, Navan RFC
LEINSTER : 15. Chris Cosgrave 14. Tommy O’Brien 13. Jamie Osborne 12. Ciarán Frawley 11. Rob Russell 10. Harry Byrne 9. Cormac Foley
1. Jack Boyle 2. John McKee 3. Rory McGuire 4. Brian Deeny 5. Jason Jenkins 6. Max Deegan 7. Will Connors 8. James Culhane (C)
Replacements : Lee Barron, Paddy McCarthy, Thomas Connolly, Ross Molony, Conor O’Tighearnaigh, Diarmuid Mangan, Scott Penny, Ben Murphy, Sam Prendergast, Andrew Osborne, Ben Brownlee, Liam Turner, Aitzol King, Jordan Larmour
IRELAND : 15. Hugo Keenan 14. Keith Earls 13. Garry Ringrose 12. Bundee Aki 11. James Lowe 10. Jonathan Sexton (c) 9. Jamison Gibson-Park
1. Andrew Porter 2. Rob Herring 3. Tadhg Furlong 4. Joe McCarthy 5. James Ryan 6. Tadhg Beirne 7. Peter O’Mahony 8. Caelan Doris
16. Ronan Kelleher 17. Jeremy Loughman 18. Tom O’Toole 19. Iain Henderson 20. Josh van der Flier 21. Conor Murray 22. Jack Crowley 23. Robbie Henshaw
ROMANIA : 15 M Simionescu 14 N Onutu 13 F Tangimana 12 J Tomane 11 T Manumua 10 Hinckley Vaovasa 9 Gabriel Rupanu
1 Iulian Hartig 2 O Cojocaru 3 A Gordas 4 A Motoc 5 S Iancu 6 F Rosu 7 V Neculau 8 C Chirica (c)
16 F Bardasu 17 A Savin 18 G Gajion 19 M Iftimiciuc 20 D Ser 21 A Conache 22 T Boldor 23 T Gontineac
Rugby World Cup 2023 Pool B
Sat Sep 9 KO 2:30pm (Irish time)
Stade de Bordeaux
TV : Virgin Media 1
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (GRU)
AR1: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
AR2: Andrea Piardi (FIR)
TMO: Brendon Pickerill (NZR)
Live on: Virgin Media 1
Leinster starting XV v Munster
15 J Larmour 14 T O’Brien 13 L Turner 12 B Brownlee 11 R Russell 10 Ciarán Frawley 9 C Foley 1 J Boyle 2 L Barron 3 R McGuire 4 B Deeny 5 J Jenkins 6 M Deegan 7 S Penny (C) 8 J Culhane
Quick video on Munster v Leinster preseason friendly…
With one more weekend without an Irish men’s match ahead of RWC2023 I decided to take it easy on the content-creating front but I did agree to do a pod for Caolán Scully which was part of his preview series and looked specifically at Ireland’s chances.
In the pod I suggest that if Ireland should have “Adversity” as a buzzword we should also go with “Belief” as well, and just to get ahead of the jokes I pointed out that I know my accent makes it sound like I’m a rugby version of Tad Lasso and apparently one of Caolán’s mates agreed…
Anyway the pod was released as a joint project so it’s on my feed as number 272 but I’d also like to plug Caolán’s pod so if you haven’t heard it already check it out below.
HARPIN ON…IRELAND’S OPTIONS AT 5, 7 & 14
This week I am grateful to Caolán for letting me use his pod recording for getting two more instalmetns of my “Ireland’s options” series done, and I am also grateful to Cian “RugbyKino” O’Muilleoir for taking the time to record his bit on jersey number 7.
IRELAND’S BENCH AT RWC2023
There are only two positions left to do in our “Ireland’s options” series, I gave each contributor a choice of jersey numbers so the two that got left behind are 13 and 15 so I will do them myself in a video to be recorded Wednesday. I also did a brief TikTok on Ireland’s bench which you can see below, the plan is to do video like that every week throughout the season so you have been warned!
I’ve said it on Twitter/x and on the pod already but I literally can’t give enough praise to Leinster’s women’s squad over their Interpro title secured at Musgrave Park they had to do it the hard way yet ended up doing it in style.
I’ve also said this many many times before but I’ll keep repeating it until it happens…the provincial teams need to play more often throughout the season IMO. I know circumstances are different but a few friendlies with Scots and Welsh teams plus a home and away calendar for the Interpro itself must be doable.
PREDICTION SPREADSHEET
When we’re not calling him Rugby Kino here at Harpin Manor, Cian O’Muilleoir is The Prince Of Permutations as his tournament spreadsheets are legendary in that they allow you to plug in different scores to see what happens next.
He has worked with another Irish twitter rugby fan/legend Justin Deegan to produce one for RWC2023, just follow the instructions below to sample it for yourself…
Just save a copy to your own Google account, then plug in the scores and bonus points as they happen or as you predict and it’ll do the rest, all the way through to the finals. It includes most of the tiebreaker calculations and can handle head to head result extraction for up to 5 teams on tied points in any given group, for all the groups.
Almost as if to taunt us with one final reminder of how last season’s URC went just before the RWC kicks off, Munster have not only scheduled a men’s friendly with Leinster kicking off at 6pm on Friday (therefore finishing just as France v New Zealand gets underway), but if fans of the boys in blue are unable to travel we will have to pay at least €6 to Access Munster for the privilege. Since it’s money that technically goes to support Irish Rugby, it should be worth it but I’ll leave that determination with yourselves. I for one am very interested to see what kind of lineup we put out. And don’t forget there’s a second match set with Ulster taking place on Friday September 22 kicking off at 6:30pm at Navan RFC, tickets can be bought here.
🔝🐱🐴 UPDATE
It’s barely the beginning of September and the Top Quatorze is already three rounds in, because of course it is. I fully expect within the next couple of years the first round in a new season will actually take place before the previous year’s final, rule it out at your peril.
With the league’s penchant for teams skimping on away selections, it’s actually not that often that teams win or lose all of their opening three matches, and this year is no exception with only Stade Francais at the top and USAP at the bottom being perfect in their own way.
And because the World Cup is actually on French soil, they had to leave a massive gap between rounds 3 and 4 so it’s very difficult to speculate how the league is going to unfold from here but you whatever happens we’ll be following it all on this column throughout the season.
Round 1
Montpellier 26-15 La Rochelle
Perpignan 7-29 Stade Francais
US Oyonnax 36-17 Clérmont
Castres 24-23 Pau
Lyon 27-15 Toulon
Racing 92 23-18 Bordeaux
Bayonne 26-7 Toulouse
Round 2
Toulouse 38-13 Montpellier
Toulon 19-14 Bayonne
Bordeaux 25-23 Castres
Clérmont 38-14 Perpignan
Pau 19-17 Racing 92
La Rochelle 35-14 Lyon
Stade Francais 28-18 Oyonnax
Round 3
Bordeaux 22-17 Toulon
Clérmont 11-10 La Rochelle
Castres 37-0 Bayonne
Stade Francais 24-9 Montpellier
Pau 40-10 Lyon
Racing 92 59-10 Lyon
Oyonnax 21-27 Toulouse
Round 4
Sat October 29
Bayonne v Stade Francais
Perpignan v Pau
La Rochelle v Castres
Lyon v Clérmont
Montpellier v Racing 92
Toulon v Oyonnax
Toulouse v Bordeaux
NEXT BATCH OF HARPIN’
Back to full swing this week here at Harpin’ Manor, I’ll be working on that final video for the series on Ireland’s starting options this Wednesday, with just jerseys 13 and 15 left, then on Thursday our “Upcoming Rugby on Irish TV” post is back with a vengeance before we turn our full attention to Ireland v Romania with a preview featuring Mark Jackson on Friday, social media commentary throughout the match itself and of cours the wrap pod recording Sunday evening where we’re planning on attempting some time travel so be sure and look out for that,
As ever be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are. JLP
Very impressive 🇫🇷 team, worthy champions, some amazing scores tonight.
We can leave the analysis for later IMO this Irish squad have been through so much and played so well thru the 5 matches that we can only applaud them, bright futures ahead.
The draw for the pool stages of the 2023/24 Champions Cup was made at lunchtime on Wednesday, June 21st which is the longest day of the year and given all the confusion surrounding the format being used for next year’s competition, if I try to explain it here I might end up making it seem even longer.
But I still think it’s important to do a video to try and put this whole format debate into the proper context since there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding surrounding the reasons for doing it this way, and possibly, in my opinion anyway, maybe also a misunderstanding as to the merits of the way things used to work.
First a quick look at the history of the competition format. After the first few Heineken Cups saw varying numbers of teams and thus varying formats, the six pools of four everyone wants the competition to return to was first used in the 1999-2000 season, when Northampton Saints went on to beat Munster in the final.
This method was used all the way through to the 2013/14 season, when the whole governance of the competition was restructured mainly due to complaints coming from the Premiership clubs about meritocracy. But although the number of participants was reduced from 24 clubs to 20, the format was pretty much the same only now three runners-up made the quarterfinals instead of two. This remained in place up to and including the 2019/2020 competition, which as we all know got disrupted by COVID meaning the knockouts couldn’t take place until the autumn.
For the next Champions Cup, they went back to 24 teams, and this was the official reason given by the governing body European Professional Club Rugby :
I take that to mean that more clubs were given the chance to avail of Champions Cup money in an attempt to make up for what was lost during COVID, but this way also allowed for an equal allocation of clubs across the three main domestic competitions. Now here is where all the confusion was to begin, since the tournament now seemed to be adopting a version of what is known in soccer as “The Swiss model”. For this method we now had two pools of 12 clubs, with the top 8 in each pool qualifying for the knockout rounds.
But for me the critical change here is not in the number of clubs. it’s not in the number of pools. and it’s not even in the number of teams that qualify from those pools. It’s in the number of weekends available to the competition for the pool phase. All of a sudden this was reduced from six weekends to four.
Why was this? I can only assume it partly had to do with demands from the unions for test rugby windows during November, but more importantly from the domestic leagues, the newly-formed URC being one but I reckon the bulk of the pressure came from the more established Premiership and Top 14, with of course companies who have heavily invested in the game like CVC also having a big say.
For me, the significance of this switch from six weekends to four cannot be ignored, and those who think the EPCR can just snap their fingers and switch back to the old pool method aren’t fully aware of who is actually doing the decision making.
Anyway, this format got something of a free pass the first season because there were so many matches cancelled due to COVID that we didn’t really get a chance to see how the pools played out in real time. But the next two seasons were nothing short of a PR-disaster. You know something is wrong when there seems to be more online comment about a tournament format than about the actual rugby happening out on the pitch.
And so the EPCR decided to listen and make a change for 2023/24. But again it has to be pointed out that they still only had four weekends to work with, plus they seem determined to make sure teams from the same league won’t face each other in the pool phase, which to be fair does make some sense as it avoids teams facing each other as many as four times over the course of a season.
Which leaves us with the new format. Four pools of six clubs, with two from each league in each pool and everyone playing each other within the pool apart from that team from the same league. And they added one extra twist to the draw – while the four major trophy winners from the season just gone were kept apart, the remaining 20 were left unseeded which has resulted in a classic Pool of death involving both of last year’s Champions Cup finalists La Rochelle and Leinster as well as Leicester Tigers and the Stormers who won their domestic tiles the previous season.
Here’s my take on the whole thing – yes I agree this new way creates as many problems as it solves, especially what with the unfortunate financial demise of three Premiership clubs meaning a team finishing 3rd from the bottom qualifies for something known as a Champions Cup. There is no disputing that of all the formats this competition has used over the years, the six pools of four was definitely the best, especially with the back-to-back matches in December which was always an exciting spell on the calendar just before Christmas.
But as far as I’m concerned, even that was far from perfect. Like I’ve already said, it’s not ideal to be in a pool with a team you’re already up against in the domestic league, but another thing I didn’t like about the six pool format was that it was possible to face a team in the quarterfinals that you already met in the pool phase.
Still, those are just superficial things, and my biggest problem with the old way wasn’t actually the format rather how it played out on the European calendar. Imagine being coach of any team, knowing that once you’ve gotten your squad out of the pool phase of a major competition, the bulk of your best players would be taken from you to play for a completely different team in one of the most attritional tournaments the sport has to offer and, well, you’re just going to have to hope and pray that you’ll get them all back fit in time for the knockout phase.
No matter what way we slice the format of what is meant to be Europe’s elite club competition, the fact that the more important Six Nations takes place slap bang in the middle of the season is always going to have an effect whether we talk about it or not, and given things have been this way ever since the game went pro frankly I’m surprised that we’re only complaining about nonsensical formats now.
Anyway…that’s my two cents…this weekend sees the Irish Men’s 7s looking to qualify for the Olympics, the Irish Under 20’s kicking off their World Championship campaign and there’s also the Super Rugby final and we’ll be covering all of that in our pod recording this Sunday evening so please like, share, and subscribe to all our social media channels and in the meantime, be sure to enjoy your rugby wherever you are, stay safe everyone, slán.